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<p>[QUOTE="sand, post: 7835053, member: 118540"]Wow. Someone got ripped off.</p><p>I'm guessing, that the 2017 auction, didn't do a careful search on ACsearch, before they listed the coin.</p><p>In the auction listing for the 2017 auction, I see that the coin is described as "somewhat smoothed". That's all. No mention of tooling or filling.</p><p>Perhaps the auction house didn't notice the tooling or filling.</p><p>I guess, if I hadn't seen the earlier photos of the coin, I would have maybe guessed, that the coin had possibly been smoothed. But I would have never guessed, that the coin had been tooled and filled.</p><p>----------------------------------------------------------</p><p>I would say, that the coin has been tooled, in the following areas :</p><p>Obverse : hair, ribbons behind neck, mouth, front of chest, back of neck</p><p>Reverse : outstretched arm, cap, hair, clothing</p><p>----------------------------------------------------------</p><p>I would say, that the coin has been smoothed, in the following areas :</p><p>Obverse : field</p><p>Reverse : field</p><p>----------------------------------------------------------</p><p>And, finally, it looks like the someone put some sort of filler, in the following areas :</p><p>Obverse : cheekbone, shoulder</p><p>Reverse : field near outstretched arm</p><p>----------------------------------------------------------</p><p>Would I buy the "coin"?</p><p>Maybe for $5, to remove the "coin" from the market, and to destroy the "coin". Or maybe to keep the "coin" as evidence of this numismatic crime. Or maybe to try to figure out, what the perpetrators used, to fill in the holes.</p><p>1. Who knows, what they used, for the filler? Putty? Clay? Plaster? Lead solder? Paint?</p><p>2. For this coin type, there are plenty of authentic coins in existence. There is no need, for such a monstrosity to exist. Such behavior should not be rewarded, in my opinion.</p><p>3. If the coin type were unique, then perhaps the now-altered coin should be saved, but with documentation, about what was done to the coin, with "before" and "after" photos. However, even if the coin type were unique, the coin should never have been altered in the first place, in my opinion.</p><p>4. It would be nice, if someone, perhaps the auction house, perhaps the "numismatic police" (is there such a thing?), could investigate this, to try to figure out, who altered the coin, and whether that person sold the coin, without telling the buyer, that the coin was tooled and filled. Perhaps the name of the perpetrator could be made public. I'll bet, that this isn't the only coin, to which the perpetrator has done this. If multiple instances of such alterations, could be linked to one person, and if that could be made public, then that would set an example.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="sand, post: 7835053, member: 118540"]Wow. Someone got ripped off. I'm guessing, that the 2017 auction, didn't do a careful search on ACsearch, before they listed the coin. In the auction listing for the 2017 auction, I see that the coin is described as "somewhat smoothed". That's all. No mention of tooling or filling. Perhaps the auction house didn't notice the tooling or filling. I guess, if I hadn't seen the earlier photos of the coin, I would have maybe guessed, that the coin had possibly been smoothed. But I would have never guessed, that the coin had been tooled and filled. ---------------------------------------------------------- I would say, that the coin has been tooled, in the following areas : Obverse : hair, ribbons behind neck, mouth, front of chest, back of neck Reverse : outstretched arm, cap, hair, clothing ---------------------------------------------------------- I would say, that the coin has been smoothed, in the following areas : Obverse : field Reverse : field ---------------------------------------------------------- And, finally, it looks like the someone put some sort of filler, in the following areas : Obverse : cheekbone, shoulder Reverse : field near outstretched arm ---------------------------------------------------------- Would I buy the "coin"? Maybe for $5, to remove the "coin" from the market, and to destroy the "coin". Or maybe to keep the "coin" as evidence of this numismatic crime. Or maybe to try to figure out, what the perpetrators used, to fill in the holes. 1. Who knows, what they used, for the filler? Putty? Clay? Plaster? Lead solder? Paint? 2. For this coin type, there are plenty of authentic coins in existence. There is no need, for such a monstrosity to exist. Such behavior should not be rewarded, in my opinion. 3. If the coin type were unique, then perhaps the now-altered coin should be saved, but with documentation, about what was done to the coin, with "before" and "after" photos. However, even if the coin type were unique, the coin should never have been altered in the first place, in my opinion. 4. It would be nice, if someone, perhaps the auction house, perhaps the "numismatic police" (is there such a thing?), could investigate this, to try to figure out, who altered the coin, and whether that person sold the coin, without telling the buyer, that the coin was tooled and filled. Perhaps the name of the perpetrator could be made public. I'll bet, that this isn't the only coin, to which the perpetrator has done this. If multiple instances of such alterations, could be linked to one person, and if that could be made public, then that would set an example.[/QUOTE]
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