Excellent Grading Skills

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I am guessing that the spots (or at least most of them) came after the grading. The first surprises me it went that high. Maybe it is your pictures, but it does not look like it has the luster for a 66 even though the nicks are small. The second looks like a 66 to me. It has the luster, but the nicks keep it from going higher.

 

I'm making jokes, they don't except sometimes at NCS.

 

Thanks, I may "cannot Re-member ...then something.

 

I thought the same. Only the rims really give it away.

 

I agree with BN on both. My guess is the bottom coin is undergraded. The top coin is a much harder call, but I'm guessing it's correctly graded.

 

Save the question they don't, he was being sarcastic. Their own video shows they don't if you'd like proof.

 

Please read what I posted. Joke: The graders don't wear gloves. I said that SOMETIMES they use them at NCS.

Just curious...Have you been inside the NCS lab when they were conserving the Odyssey Marine Exploration coins?

 

I agree. Could not have said it better. I would guess the first coin is in an older slab. I think it would grade 65 today.
The second coin looks like a solid 66 but not a chance for 67.
With Lincoln cents it's important to keep something in mind. NGC and PCGS use different standards when it comes to luster. From the images, I can't tell much about the luster on the first coin. It's helpful to know who graded the coin in threads about Lincolns. I would love to own the second coin. It's really nice.

 

I disagree. Those spots are "set." IMO, They would not reach that stage in a slab (protected from environment) if there was not a piece of debris attached to the coin when sealed. Only proof for sure is to view the surface under magnification.

Corrosion development is influenced by the environment. Just as forensics has developed to age a corpse, conservation professionals can derive clues about corrosion.

IMO, it is a beautiful red & brown gem w/some carbon spots.

 

Breath on a Lincoln, stick it in a slab for 15 or 20 years and that's what you get.
I have watched it happen many, many times over the years. Too many Lincolns out there with spots in higher grade holders that would have never been graded that high if the spots were visable at the time.

 

Slabs to not stop the process. They will slow it down with proper storage. They are not airtight. Gases move thru the plastic.

 

Both of you are correct. Stick it in a slab...AFTER IT WAS GRADED.

Slab slow down the process.

Again IMO, on the coin when graded. THAT WAS THE OP ?

 

I said you were joking. Your defensive nature and what you have posted so far tells me you're trying to act like you know more than you do. its the nature of the internet so go on

 

I'm think it's all a matter of wording. We agree. It's tough to understand you sometimes insider. I'm sure rlm was saying that the spots were very tiny or not noticeable when graded. Over time they grow and start showing.

 

And he's saying that's not true, which is so fundamentally wrong that there's no argument to it except, "perhaps you'll believe when you experience it like the rest of us have."

 

Sorry you took my post that way. SO I'LL GO ON as you suggested I do:

I was joking about the gloves in the grading room; but I also wanted to make sure members did not think I was joking about gloves in the NCS lab so I elected to clarify your informed comments.

PS I have been in the NCS lab and on that occasion (because of what they were working on/with under the hood) some were wearing "special" gloves.

 

Thanks, I like your post. You could make a good Moderator

Again, IMO, based on what I have seen, those spots were on the coin when it was graded. IMO, they did not get worse over time and should not change much in the future. Those spots should knock the coin out of TPGS MS-66 and my personal MS-65 range.

I know that COINS DO TURN IN SLABS after they are graded. That's one reason the TPGS's don't guarantee copper or SE anymore.

If we had the slab with us, using a stereo microscope we would see debris INSIDE the black spots or not. If there was debris, I should argue on your side for that spot. Otherwise, those types of spots take years to develop.

Playing Devil's Advocate: The first coin DOES show an indication of raised black debris in some spots w/discoloration around them. I would also like to know what the white spot under the date is...looks like a cookie crumb...LOL.

Furthermore, IF THERE WAS A GUN AT MY HEAD to give the correct answer, I would probably say.....I don't wish to die/you are winning me over/I'll go along with the pack....NOT ON THE COIN WHEN GRADED....A least most of them or it should not be graded that high. Then we are left with the question: "Who coughed on the cent?"

 

What you are missing is that coin was produced 100 years ago. Whatever caused/is causing those spots my have come from the owner 50 years ago, 30 years ago or more. It does not have to come from being slabbed or anything associated with that process.