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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24669284, member: 26430"]Very cool, I actually like this design and the style better. This reverse design actually adds one element missing from my OP type: The <i>crescent </i>(plus star).</p><p><br /></p><p>I've got an example of this type as well, same date & type as yours (RPC <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4287" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4287" rel="nofollow">4287</a>; EP for Year 105, Nero, 56/7 CE).</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1573191[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I've got another with the date somewhat obscured, but suspect ET ZOP for Year 177, Antoninus Pius, 128/9 CE (<a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/search/browse?q=turreted+ram+running+star+177" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/search/browse?q=turreted+ram+running+star+177" rel="nofollow">RPC III 3729-3732</a>).</p><p><br /></p><p>Interestingly, struck over 70 years after the previous dated issue of this type (RPC I <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4291" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4291" rel="nofollow">4291</a>; Year 106, Nero, 57/8 CE)!</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1573192[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I don't necessarily agree, but Molnar's theory was that this type (Tyche/Crescent + star) was actually commemorating a new celestial event that occurred on the day of 27 April 51 CE: the conjunction/"lunar occultation"/eclipse of the moon and Venus. (<a href="https://social.vcoins.com/files/file/55-vol-05-no-12-december-1991/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://social.vcoins.com/files/file/55-vol-05-no-12-december-1991/" rel="nofollow"><i>The Celator</i> Dec 1991</a>, p. 9.)</p><p><br /></p><p><i>However</i>, in the previous year (dated ΔΡ, 55/6 CE under Nero), the mint produced coins showing Tyche and <i>both </i>the original star-only reverse (RPC <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4286" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4286" rel="nofollow">4286</a>, for the last time) and the new crescent-plus-star reverse (RPC <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4287" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4287" rel="nofollow">4287</a>). (After this year, it would always be crescent-plus-star.)</p><p><br /></p><p><i>No-Crescent-Variety (same year as first crescent variety, <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4287" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4287" rel="nofollow">RPC I 4287</a>). </i></p><p><i><b>NOT MY COIN</b> (<a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4286" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4286" rel="nofollow">RPC I 4286</a>):</i></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1573193[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>By Molnar's theory: Were they showing two different events in that particular year, and thereafter <i>continued commemorating only the new one, </i>and then did so <i>again over 70 years later</i> under Antoninus Pius? (See: <a href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/search/browse?q=turreted+ram+running+star" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/search/browse?q=turreted+ram+running+star" rel="nofollow">RPC I 3729-3732 and various others in RPC III & IV.3</a>.)</p><p><br /></p><p>I've ordered Molnar's book, so maybe I'll learn the answer to that. I'm not sure yet if he deals with the later issues <i>temp</i>. Antoninus Pius at all. (But let's say that Venus/Lunar eclipse occurred again then, then I would believe it.)</p><p><br /></p><p>But, if celestial events are being commemorated, I'm not yet convinced they commemorate more than one. It seems to me the original star types and the crescent-and-star types may be all of the same type.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24669284, member: 26430"]Very cool, I actually like this design and the style better. This reverse design actually adds one element missing from my OP type: The [I]crescent [/I](plus star). I've got an example of this type as well, same date & type as yours (RPC [URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4287']4287[/URL]; EP for Year 105, Nero, 56/7 CE). [ATTACH=full]1573191[/ATTACH] I've got another with the date somewhat obscured, but suspect ET ZOP for Year 177, Antoninus Pius, 128/9 CE ([URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/search/browse?q=turreted+ram+running+star+177']RPC III 3729-3732[/URL]). Interestingly, struck over 70 years after the previous dated issue of this type (RPC I [URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4291']4291[/URL]; Year 106, Nero, 57/8 CE)! [ATTACH=full]1573192[/ATTACH] I don't necessarily agree, but Molnar's theory was that this type (Tyche/Crescent + star) was actually commemorating a new celestial event that occurred on the day of 27 April 51 CE: the conjunction/"lunar occultation"/eclipse of the moon and Venus. ([URL='https://social.vcoins.com/files/file/55-vol-05-no-12-december-1991/'][I]The Celator[/I] Dec 1991[/URL], p. 9.) [I]However[/I], in the previous year (dated ΔΡ, 55/6 CE under Nero), the mint produced coins showing Tyche and [I]both [/I]the original star-only reverse (RPC [URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4286']4286[/URL], for the last time) and the new crescent-plus-star reverse (RPC [URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4287']4287[/URL]). (After this year, it would always be crescent-plus-star.) [I]No-Crescent-Variety (same year as first crescent variety, [URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4287']RPC I 4287[/URL]). [B]NOT MY COIN[/B] ([URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/1/4286']RPC I 4286[/URL]):[/I] [ATTACH=full]1573193[/ATTACH] By Molnar's theory: Were they showing two different events in that particular year, and thereafter [I]continued commemorating only the new one, [/I]and then did so [I]again over 70 years later[/I] under Antoninus Pius? (See: [URL='https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/search/browse?q=turreted+ram+running+star']RPC I 3729-3732 and various others in RPC III & IV.3[/URL].) I've ordered Molnar's book, so maybe I'll learn the answer to that. I'm not sure yet if he deals with the later issues [I]temp[/I]. Antoninus Pius at all. (But let's say that Venus/Lunar eclipse occurred again then, then I would believe it.) But, if celestial events are being commemorated, I'm not yet convinced they commemorate more than one. It seems to me the original star types and the crescent-and-star types may be all of the same type.[/QUOTE]
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