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<p>[QUOTE="Severus Alexander, post: 7994463, member: 84744"]I greatly appreciate the many points above about how complex the history of any artifact is, making it virtually impossible to determine who "really" ought to have any particular ancient artifact. Two additional complexities: 1) the massive migration of peoples that has occurred over the last 2-3 thousand years, and 2)...</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>We all have a ridiculously massive number of ancestors. Assuming an average 25y/generation, 1000 years gets us to <i>1 trillion ancestors</i> (not actually possible of course, there's lots of duplication within each person's family tree). Assuming a very generous average 30y/generation, that still gets us 10 billion ancestors each within the last millenium. In other words, it would be astonishing if anyone today with even a little bit of European ancestry wasn't descended from Charlemagne.</p><p><br /></p><p>Coupled with all the migration mentioned earlier, each one of us is related to tons of ancient people who lived anywhere in the world you can name.</p><p><br /></p><p>The natural move is to rely, not on ancestry, but on cultural descent. But if anything, the history of culture is even more complex and interconnected than ancestry is.</p><p><br /></p><p>That leaves geography. Why should geography matter so much when we are all connected in multiple ways to every ancient location on Earth?</p><p><br /></p><p>Recent looting, e.g. the Elgin Marbles, may well be different. I think a legitimate case can be made based on the <i>very recent</i> value to Greeks that these have had. This doesn't apply to anything forgotten though, e.g. something just now recovered from the ground.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Severus Alexander, post: 7994463, member: 84744"]I greatly appreciate the many points above about how complex the history of any artifact is, making it virtually impossible to determine who "really" ought to have any particular ancient artifact. Two additional complexities: 1) the massive migration of peoples that has occurred over the last 2-3 thousand years, and 2)... We all have a ridiculously massive number of ancestors. Assuming an average 25y/generation, 1000 years gets us to [I]1 trillion ancestors[/I] (not actually possible of course, there's lots of duplication within each person's family tree). Assuming a very generous average 30y/generation, that still gets us 10 billion ancestors each within the last millenium. In other words, it would be astonishing if anyone today with even a little bit of European ancestry wasn't descended from Charlemagne. Coupled with all the migration mentioned earlier, each one of us is related to tons of ancient people who lived anywhere in the world you can name. The natural move is to rely, not on ancestry, but on cultural descent. But if anything, the history of culture is even more complex and interconnected than ancestry is. That leaves geography. Why should geography matter so much when we are all connected in multiple ways to every ancient location on Earth? Recent looting, e.g. the Elgin Marbles, may well be different. I think a legitimate case can be made based on the [I]very recent[/I] value to Greeks that these have had. This doesn't apply to anything forgotten though, e.g. something just now recovered from the ground.[/QUOTE]
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