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<p>[QUOTE="Jack D. Young, post: 7541369, member: 93371"]Back when I was emailing directly a known Chinese buyer of American coins through the "Bay" he sent me images of some of the "coins" he had for sale. One group image included a low resolution image of an 1847 Hawaiian cent, and I pretty much tucked it away for future reference...</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1301720[/ATTACH]</p><p>As we continued to research the recent deceptive struck fakes we tied several bad Bay sellers together and started to scrutinize all of their offerings where this example surfaced:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1301721[/ATTACH]</p><p>From it we marked some of the circulation marks we thought significant and useful for looking for more.</p><p><br /></p><p>And looking at two other connected sellers we found the following certified examples:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1301722[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1301723[/ATTACH]</p><p>As luck would have it a blind internet search turned up this example from Hong Kong! It is significant to note the date for this one, 2010!</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1301728[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1301729[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Continued searching "discovered" this example from a 2014 Stacks auction, NGC certified AU-58; we thought we may have found the genuine source coin, and it looks a lot like the Baldwin example...</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1301730[/ATTACH]</p><p>But of course, that was NOT the end of the saga! As of today two more examples have turned up, with the following being a much better candidate for the source. Also from a Stacks auction (2013) this one is the highest graded example documented, as NGC MS-64. I have some more digging to do to find the cert number of this one.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1301731[/ATTACH]</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1301732[/ATTACH]</p><p>The better images and sharp detail allow for a better opportunity to highlight more possible matching marks, an aid in identifying additional members of this family.</p><p><br /></p><p>And the last example added to the group is from a 2011 Stacks auction, this one noted as ANACS certed AU-50; I have added white circles to it as with the others to show some of the more obvious matching marks.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1301733[/ATTACH]</p><p>Finishing the analysis and planning to write the summary article soon; as in my other articles I will note that there is a genuine example here somewhere, but without a doubt a counterfeit or two as well!</p><p><br /></p><p>Best, Jack[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Jack D. Young, post: 7541369, member: 93371"]Back when I was emailing directly a known Chinese buyer of American coins through the "Bay" he sent me images of some of the "coins" he had for sale. One group image included a low resolution image of an 1847 Hawaiian cent, and I pretty much tucked it away for future reference... [ATTACH=full]1301720[/ATTACH] As we continued to research the recent deceptive struck fakes we tied several bad Bay sellers together and started to scrutinize all of their offerings where this example surfaced: [ATTACH=full]1301721[/ATTACH] From it we marked some of the circulation marks we thought significant and useful for looking for more. And looking at two other connected sellers we found the following certified examples: [ATTACH=full]1301722[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1301723[/ATTACH] As luck would have it a blind internet search turned up this example from Hong Kong! It is significant to note the date for this one, 2010! [ATTACH=full]1301728[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1301729[/ATTACH] Continued searching "discovered" this example from a 2014 Stacks auction, NGC certified AU-58; we thought we may have found the genuine source coin, and it looks a lot like the Baldwin example... [ATTACH=full]1301730[/ATTACH] But of course, that was NOT the end of the saga! As of today two more examples have turned up, with the following being a much better candidate for the source. Also from a Stacks auction (2013) this one is the highest graded example documented, as NGC MS-64. I have some more digging to do to find the cert number of this one. [ATTACH=full]1301731[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1301732[/ATTACH] The better images and sharp detail allow for a better opportunity to highlight more possible matching marks, an aid in identifying additional members of this family. And the last example added to the group is from a 2011 Stacks auction, this one noted as ANACS certed AU-50; I have added white circles to it as with the others to show some of the more obvious matching marks. [ATTACH=full]1301733[/ATTACH] Finishing the analysis and planning to write the summary article soon; as in my other articles I will note that there is a genuine example here somewhere, but without a doubt a counterfeit or two as well! Best, Jack[/QUOTE]
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