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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 7591016, member: 19463"]I regret so many here have trouble with the difference between the coin and an image of a coin. You can sell one without selling the other. I used to request that people who used my images send me a copy of the work in which it was used. I modified that when a very honest person sent me a $50 book that included one of my photos. I still have the coin and plan to own it until I die. I bought the coin in 1994 but it is quite possible that someone took a photo of it before that time. If so, they retain ownership and rights to their photo but have no rights to my image below.</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1307638[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>I have a better example but it is not a coin. Many years ago I was in an antique/crafts shop that had many modern and fancy picture frames in various sizes. Most of them had a very low quality photo of a little boy dressed in a fashionably fancy suit. In the stock of the shop also was a daguerreotype taken c.1855-60 of that same boy. The frame maker had photographed the daguerreotype and printed copies of it to decorate his frames. The original photo, like all photos that old, is out of copyright. Technically, he could have copyrighted his photo of it but that gives him no rights to the photo I took of it. I doubt that person is still using that fuzzy old photo for his frames. I do wonder if any of them still exist. You can tell the difference between my photo and his. I will not mention how. If you want a cute kid photo to hang on your wall, I can allow you to use mine. If you own one of his frames that came with the image, I can not give you permission to copy it. I do wish I had a frame containing his copy of the image but I bought no frame. His cheapest frame cost several times what I was charged for the old piece of junk (in their mind) photo. </p><p><img src="https://a4.pbase.com/v3/88/582688/1/47057870.dagboysm.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>Now a question: Do you consider any photo of the same thing to be in any way related to all other photos? How may of you have taken a photo of the Eifel Tower or Colosseum? Do you think you own any part of those structures or the 10,000 photos taken by other people of the same structure? You don't. Do you think all photos of the same coin are the same coin are the same? Some of my coins have been photographed many times and each is different. Many photographers configure their camera to record EXIF data on every shot that includes their name, contact info, date and exposure data. Some will use it against people who use their images without permission. Most of us who shoot coins allow anyone to use the images. Wedding/portrait photographers and not so liberal unless you contract separately to buy rights to the photos they took of you. For the record, anyone who bought a coin I once owned is hereby allowed use of my photo of that coin but I can not give you permission to use the photo taken by the dealer to whom I consigned the coin.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 7591016, member: 19463"]I regret so many here have trouble with the difference between the coin and an image of a coin. You can sell one without selling the other. I used to request that people who used my images send me a copy of the work in which it was used. I modified that when a very honest person sent me a $50 book that included one of my photos. I still have the coin and plan to own it until I die. I bought the coin in 1994 but it is quite possible that someone took a photo of it before that time. If so, they retain ownership and rights to their photo but have no rights to my image below. [ATTACH=full]1307638[/ATTACH] I have a better example but it is not a coin. Many years ago I was in an antique/crafts shop that had many modern and fancy picture frames in various sizes. Most of them had a very low quality photo of a little boy dressed in a fashionably fancy suit. In the stock of the shop also was a daguerreotype taken c.1855-60 of that same boy. The frame maker had photographed the daguerreotype and printed copies of it to decorate his frames. The original photo, like all photos that old, is out of copyright. Technically, he could have copyrighted his photo of it but that gives him no rights to the photo I took of it. I doubt that person is still using that fuzzy old photo for his frames. I do wonder if any of them still exist. You can tell the difference between my photo and his. I will not mention how. If you want a cute kid photo to hang on your wall, I can allow you to use mine. If you own one of his frames that came with the image, I can not give you permission to copy it. I do wish I had a frame containing his copy of the image but I bought no frame. His cheapest frame cost several times what I was charged for the old piece of junk (in their mind) photo. [IMG]https://a4.pbase.com/v3/88/582688/1/47057870.dagboysm.jpg[/IMG] Now a question: Do you consider any photo of the same thing to be in any way related to all other photos? How may of you have taken a photo of the Eifel Tower or Colosseum? Do you think you own any part of those structures or the 10,000 photos taken by other people of the same structure? You don't. Do you think all photos of the same coin are the same coin are the same? Some of my coins have been photographed many times and each is different. Many photographers configure their camera to record EXIF data on every shot that includes their name, contact info, date and exposure data. Some will use it against people who use their images without permission. Most of us who shoot coins allow anyone to use the images. Wedding/portrait photographers and not so liberal unless you contract separately to buy rights to the photos they took of you. For the record, anyone who bought a coin I once owned is hereby allowed use of my photo of that coin but I can not give you permission to use the photo taken by the dealer to whom I consigned the coin.[/QUOTE]
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