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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;mark_h, post: 494115, member: 3726&quot;]I guess what I don&#039;t understand with this whole thread is why it needs to change?&nbsp; No matter what system you come up with the buyer will still decide the final grade and the price they are willing to pay.&nbsp; So the seller(or the tpg) can call the coin anything he wants - as a buyer I set my grade and the price I will pay.&nbsp; Why not make it really simple - all coins are genuine or fake then the buyers determine the price?&nbsp; Why even have a grade?&nbsp; We might as well take out varieties as well - make everything equal.&nbsp; If you are trying to get to a buy sight unseen type system - it won&#039;t work. Nobody but me gets to determine what I consider a choice coin. Me - I will stick with ANA grading guides.&nbsp; Yes - my interpretation of it, not perfect but it makes me happy.&nbsp; This is the best comparison I can think of - Paul likes toned coins - great for Paul, but a few of them are way over the top for me.&nbsp; Personally I would not have put them in a PCGS or NGC holder - cleaned or AT.&nbsp; But that is only my opinion and it does not make it fact.&nbsp; Even if you proved to me the coins are NT I still would not purchase a few of them.&nbsp; That is an opinion that can not be built into any grading system you come up with. I still would not buy some of them.&nbsp; That is my opinion and my choice.</p><p><br /></p><p>I mean, we the collectors can&#039;t get SGS shutdown, the pocket change MS70&#039;s graders - even with a new system they can continue to say &quot;we use ANA standards&quot; these coins are MS70. Then as long as people buy them they are doing nothing wrong. But then when they go to sell them - we the buyers - will demonstrate by the price we pay the mistake they made in buying SGS coins.&nbsp; So what? All we can do is try to educate someone?</p><p><br /></p><p>I just can&#039;t see what the problem is - I mean Doug is allowed his opinion, Paul, Mike(s), Frank(s) and even me.&nbsp; We do not need to agree on a grade&nbsp; eye appeal, cleaning, price or worth of a coin. As potential buyers each of us determine what we will pay.&nbsp; And yes - I may argue with doug or someone else, but we can always agree to disagree.&nbsp; Simple as that. I think sometimes people read too much into a posts tone. </p><p><br /></p><p>Maybe someday computers can do some technical grading, but they will never replace my eye.&nbsp; Like others I make my living in the industry and I do not think anywhere down the line will computers have a final say in this hobby - human collectors will.&nbsp; You can not convince me otherwise or even convince me to use open source for business critical needs. That should stir up a hornets nest in general discussion if someone started a thread on it(that is if you made it this far).&nbsp; I can not see someone developing a &quot;technology based grading system&quot; that everyone would agree to use.&nbsp; You will still have the SGS&#039;s of the world doing there own thing.</p><p><br /></p><p>All of that to say - &quot;I can live with the way things are now&quot;. I still like the discussion.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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