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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Casman, post: 3877489, member: 85295&quot;]Things have changed exponentially from the old days.&nbsp; Loose lips sink ships.&nbsp; I&#039;m not a fan of the dealer cheats.&nbsp; In 2014, Lippy hired bus loads of people that didn&#039;t speak English to get in line.&nbsp; While the Mint publically shamed this activity, they did allow the &quot;man&quot; to stand at the trough using 1 credit card to ring up for his hired puppets.&nbsp; I also seem to remember the same guy faked a casting call gig in another city to get more linestanders, and there was a riot and people got hurt (see youtube)</p><p>Now it&#039;s prepaid credit cards.&nbsp; Good grief.</p><p><br /></p><p>I also watched Minchey and their crew of tan pant white shirts count the line, then slip in clones and look alikes with coffee and donuts by the dozens to make sure they stuffed and beat the 500 daily allotment.</p><p><br /></p><p>One person line jumping would get the beatdown, but none said a word when Minchey slipped 5 in here and there among the 10 already there.</p><p>I suppose the same players gamed the Baltimore show.</p><p><br /></p><p>I was also at the Gold Center in 2010, ATB sale where a dealer hired Manpower line standers, strawbuyers.&nbsp; He was caught on camera handing the buy money to his &quot;employees&quot;, and all of them were kicked off the property.&nbsp; The Sheriffs dept was on scene, and I got shook down as well as the 3 people with me.&nbsp; They questioned whether we were paid to buy sets, said strawbuying was illegal in Illinois.&nbsp; We were not associated with dealer X, and were left alone.&nbsp; Is it illegal, I don&#039;t know but do carry a law license and can take care of myself.</p><p>And let&#039;s not forget the ultimate scam from that release.</p><p><br /></p><p>IIRC, 3300 of those ATB sets were to be released to the public.&nbsp; I was #50 in line, and it took me 3 hours to get to the register.&nbsp; There were at most, 100 more buyers behind me.&nbsp; Not 500, not 600, but 100.&nbsp; Do the math.&nbsp; The place closed up the day, and there&#039;s no way more than 300 were sold.&nbsp; The other 3,000 sets went out the back door, and the owner, while slanting overall sale numbers, admitted as much.&nbsp; </p><p><br /></p><p>And who appeared days later at a Illinois coin show with dozens of graded ATB sets in hand at $4K per set?&nbsp; Didn&#039;t have to look much further than the CoinWorld article with The Segoister that was obviously friends with the backdoor dumper.</p><p><br /></p><p>Also, there&#039;s more &quot;attention&quot; seeking posters than before.&nbsp; The Mint has scheduled releases.&nbsp; Why some feel the news to post threads for each one, threads that generate 40K views is beyond my wheelhouse.&nbsp; Is it usefull?&nbsp; Look no further than the dozens of new posters, scammers, and BST infiltrates for my opinion.&nbsp; It&#039;s like a house party, but you invite hundreds of strangers, then leave the house wide open. </p><p>&nbsp;I suppose it makes for something to do if someone has the time.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for pimping friends to make buys, I won&#039;t comment beyond saying I&#039;d hope they were paid well, or at least more than a known dealer referral which was higher.&nbsp; I would expect as much from a true friend.</p><p><br /></p><p>Money brings out the worst in people.&nbsp; In 2015, I gave away my entire salary for the year, approx 1 million, only to watch it get stolen from the coffers by people I really thought we&#039;re good folks.&nbsp; I resigned after learning of the theft and left the profession I&#039;d loved for 20+ years.</p><p><br /></p><p>In any event, I suppose this has to some extent always been human nature[ATTACH=full]1024340[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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