Elagabalus Copper, Alexandrian mint?

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  1. PaddyB

    PaddyB Eccentric enthusiast

    I have been brought 6 more coins in the market for verification and possible purchase. All are outside my comfort zone, so I can I beg some assistance again?
    Last is identified on it's ticket as Elagabalus Alexandria AR Tetr. Weighs 9.54g and measures about 23mm across. Is this correct ID? This one gives me most concern for authenticity as it seems very sharp, particularly on the reverse - is it right?
    Elagabalus 1-horz.jpg
     
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  3. Justin Lee

    Justin Lee I learn by doing

    That's looks like it's an Antioch tet, rather than Alexandria.
     
  4. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Agreed. But the ANT at the beginning of the right side obverse inscription confirms it as Elagabalus. My hunch is that it is legit, but I can't be certain just from the photo.
     
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  5. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    Yes, it's Elagabalus and Antioch & yes it's OK.
     
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  6. nicholasz219

    nicholasz219 Well-Known Member

    I think the coin looks okay but I would say the portrait looks more like Caracalla in general. I do defer to @Mat on tetradrachmae in general, however.
     
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  7. curtislclay

    curtislclay Well-Known Member

    Looks to me like Elagabalus, uncertain Syrian mint, genuine, Prieur 261A (similar style, same erroneous "consul for the fourth time" on reverse).
     
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  8. Herodotus

    Herodotus Well-Known Member

    This interests me, as is often, the attributions of Caracalla or Elagabalus may be harder to pin down on Roman Provincials.

    I'm attempting to improve my ability at discerning between the two. I'm leaning towards Elagabalus on this coin (due to the portraiture), however, my attempts at locating a reference match is proving difficult.

    Could this be a contemporary imitation, perhaps?
     
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  9. cmezner

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  10. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Are there many provincial coins that depict Caracalla as a youth on the obverse? All the ones I've seen show him as a rather surely-looking adult.
     
  11. Herodotus

    Herodotus Well-Known Member

    There are a handful.

    Of course, I implied among youthful portraits (Caracalla as Caesar). The bearded "surly-looking adult" ones are fairly easy to discern.

    For example, these coins are often attributed as Caracalla.
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  12. cmezner

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    my youthful Caracalla:
    Pisidia, Galatia, Antioch (Colonia Caesareia Antiocheia), 206 - 211 or 218 - 222 AD
    23 mm, 5.623 g
    Ref.: Krzyzanowska Group C (CAR19) XIX, 37-38 var (rev legend with CAS resp. CAE);
    https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/6/6566

    RPC attributes it as Caracalla or Elagabalus
    Ob.: IMP CAES M AVR ANTONINVS A laureate head right
    Rev.: (AN)TIOCH G(E)NI COL CAS Tyche of Antiocheia standing left, holding branch and cornucopia

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  13. Alwin

    Alwin Well-Known Member

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    ELAGABALUS, Tetradrachm
    Antioch, 218-222
    12.65 g - 24 mm
    Prieur 261
    AYT K M A AN(TωNЄINOC CЄ)B, Laureate head right
    ΔHMAPX ЄΞ YΠATOC(TOB), Eagle facing, head and tail left - Δ - Є - Star
     
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  14. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    I stand corrected. The examples above force me to reconsider my assumptions. I would have attributed all of them to Elagabalus.

    Next, I suppose you will tell me that a koala bear is not a real bear.
     
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