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<p>[QUOTE="Aestimare, post: 5175612, member: 98537"]@curtisclay,</p><p><br /></p><p>I was surprised reading your statement that no IMP ANTONINVS AVG (RIC obv. legend n°3) reverses share similar reverses with roman mint denarii and antoniniani.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here are ex. with RIC rarity rates in order to establish, when they are not rare, they’re no hybrids (if RIC’s statements on the subject could be doubtful, what’s most unlikely – I precise there’s no corrigenda in this part of the volume). Reka Devnia numbers precise this rarity.</p><p><br /></p><p>Leg. 1 = IMP CAES ANTONINVS AVG</p><p><br /></p><p>Leg. 2 = IMP CAES M AVR ANTONINVS AVG</p><p><br /></p><p>Leg. 5 = IMP ANTONINVS PIVS AVG</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1211646[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>RIC 16 (leg. 3 - C - <b>RD 36 ex.</b>) and RIC 13 (leg. 2 - C - <b>RD 15 ex.</b>) and RIC 15 (leg. 1 - S - <b>RD 5 ex.</b>). RIC note : “possibly of the mint Antioch.”</p><p><br /></p><p>RIC 17 (leg. 3 - C) and RIC 17 (leg. 5 - C) one RIC rarity rate for both but not congruent with RD’s (leg. 3 - <b>RD 1 ex.</b>) (leg. 5 - <b>RD 18 ex.</b>)</p><p><br /></p><p>RIC 19 (leg. 3 - C - <b>RD 51 ex.</b>) and RIC 20 (leg. 5 – C - <b>RD 0 ex.</b>)</p><p><br /></p><p>This illustration is more spoky:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1211644[/ATTACH]</p><p>RIC 013 3,09g = ANS 1944.100.51891 </p><p>RIC 171A proche RIC 015 corr note 2,61g = British Museum 1924,0107.39 </p><p>Others = mine </p><p><br /></p><p>The rarity of the coins which could have contrary your theory show you were right (what will surprise nobody), as the mint problem of attribution of RIC 15, clearly eastern. Just RIC 13 remains a problem. But it’s a 218’s issue, not a 219’s.</p><p><br /></p><p>I’ve never seen the aureus RIC 33b IMP ANTONINVS AVG / P M TR P III COS III P P (Elagabalus seated on a curule chair) : A.S.F.N., 1886, p.112, n°84 :</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1211637[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>I personally visited the permanent exhibition of Lyon’s Museum, but I don’t remember to have seen this aureus.</p><p><br /></p><p>The irregular gold quinarius RIC 163b as Mattingly & al. stated it soon in 1938, is not relevant, though the <a href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=elagab+163b&category=1-2&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&images=1&thesaurus=1&order=3&currency=usd&company=" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=elagab+163b&category=1-2&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&images=1&thesaurus=1&order=3&currency=usd&company=" rel="nofollow">5 ex. available on ACsearch</a> are clearly barbarous, what wasn’t mentioned by these authors. Whatever the degree of “barbarousness”, RIC 163b can’t be considered.</p><p><br /></p><p>The Lyon’s aureus should “get out of his hiding place” so that we could go further.</p><p>I imagine you think about Nicomedia, as a branch mint, as Mattingly & al. formulated soon this very attractive hypothesis for some year 219 strikes. If the IMP ANTONINVS AVG series characterized this branch mint, I can’t see how one could avoid a die study.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>To say thank you to everyone on CT, and especially you Sir Clay for the time you spent to explain me and us your reasoning, here’s a rare Aquilia sestertius with left star, belonging to a friend of mine:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1211632[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>RIC 389 o1r1 23,45g 29,9mm 1h</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Here are the 4 RIC 389 that I know:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1211635[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>ses RIC 389 o1r1 17,22g = Rauch Auction 97 14.04.2015 Lot 638</p><p><br /></p><p>ses RIC 389 o1r1 19,08g = British Museum R.16124</p><p><br /></p><p>ses RIC 389 o1r1 20,57g = ANS 1952.142.169</p><p><br /></p><p>ses RIC 389 o1r1 23,45g = friend</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I didn’t include the Heritage ex., from different dies:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1211634[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>HA 2019 August 18 Ancient Coin Selections from the Morris Collection, Part II Monthly Online Auction #271933 / Lot #35334</p><p><br /></p><p>What do you think about it ? My feeling is clearly bad.</p><p>PS: don't hesitate to correct my language. Thank you.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Aestimare, post: 5175612, member: 98537"]@curtisclay, I was surprised reading your statement that no IMP ANTONINVS AVG (RIC obv. legend n°3) reverses share similar reverses with roman mint denarii and antoniniani. Here are ex. with RIC rarity rates in order to establish, when they are not rare, they’re no hybrids (if RIC’s statements on the subject could be doubtful, what’s most unlikely – I precise there’s no corrigenda in this part of the volume). Reka Devnia numbers precise this rarity. Leg. 1 = IMP CAES ANTONINVS AVG Leg. 2 = IMP CAES M AVR ANTONINVS AVG Leg. 5 = IMP ANTONINVS PIVS AVG [ATTACH=full]1211646[/ATTACH] RIC 16 (leg. 3 - C - [B]RD 36 ex.[/B]) and RIC 13 (leg. 2 - C - [B]RD 15 ex.[/B]) and RIC 15 (leg. 1 - S - [B]RD 5 ex.[/B]). RIC note : “possibly of the mint Antioch.” RIC 17 (leg. 3 - C) and RIC 17 (leg. 5 - C) one RIC rarity rate for both but not congruent with RD’s (leg. 3 - [B]RD 1 ex.[/B]) (leg. 5 - [B]RD 18 ex.[/B]) RIC 19 (leg. 3 - C - [B]RD 51 ex.[/B]) and RIC 20 (leg. 5 – C - [B]RD 0 ex.[/B]) This illustration is more spoky: [ATTACH=full]1211644[/ATTACH] RIC 013 3,09g = ANS 1944.100.51891 RIC 171A proche RIC 015 corr note 2,61g = British Museum 1924,0107.39 Others = mine The rarity of the coins which could have contrary your theory show you were right (what will surprise nobody), as the mint problem of attribution of RIC 15, clearly eastern. Just RIC 13 remains a problem. But it’s a 218’s issue, not a 219’s. I’ve never seen the aureus RIC 33b IMP ANTONINVS AVG / P M TR P III COS III P P (Elagabalus seated on a curule chair) : A.S.F.N., 1886, p.112, n°84 : [ATTACH=full]1211637[/ATTACH] I personally visited the permanent exhibition of Lyon’s Museum, but I don’t remember to have seen this aureus. The irregular gold quinarius RIC 163b as Mattingly & al. stated it soon in 1938, is not relevant, though the [URL='https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?term=elagab+163b&category=1-2&en=1&de=1&fr=1&it=1&es=1&ot=1&images=1&thesaurus=1&order=3¤cy=usd&company=']5 ex. available on ACsearch[/URL] are clearly barbarous, what wasn’t mentioned by these authors. Whatever the degree of “barbarousness”, RIC 163b can’t be considered. The Lyon’s aureus should “get out of his hiding place” so that we could go further. I imagine you think about Nicomedia, as a branch mint, as Mattingly & al. formulated soon this very attractive hypothesis for some year 219 strikes. If the IMP ANTONINVS AVG series characterized this branch mint, I can’t see how one could avoid a die study. To say thank you to everyone on CT, and especially you Sir Clay for the time you spent to explain me and us your reasoning, here’s a rare Aquilia sestertius with left star, belonging to a friend of mine: [ATTACH=full]1211632[/ATTACH] RIC 389 o1r1 23,45g 29,9mm 1h Here are the 4 RIC 389 that I know: [ATTACH=full]1211635[/ATTACH] ses RIC 389 o1r1 17,22g = Rauch Auction 97 14.04.2015 Lot 638 ses RIC 389 o1r1 19,08g = British Museum R.16124 ses RIC 389 o1r1 20,57g = ANS 1952.142.169 ses RIC 389 o1r1 23,45g = friend I didn’t include the Heritage ex., from different dies: [ATTACH=full]1211634[/ATTACH] HA 2019 August 18 Ancient Coin Selections from the Morris Collection, Part II Monthly Online Auction #271933 / Lot #35334 What do you think about it ? My feeling is clearly bad. PS: don't hesitate to correct my language. Thank you.[/QUOTE]
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