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<p>[QUOTE="azcoin, post: 1369516, member: 36189"]<b>El Cazador 1784 Shipwreck - Spanish 8 Real silver coin dates??</b></p><p><br /></p><p>Hi Folks, </p><p><br /></p><p>I'm new to this site, I have recently started collecting all types of silver coins, and bars.</p><p><br /></p><p>I recently became fascinated with shipwrecks and salvaged treasure.</p><p><br /></p><p>I won an auction on Ebay for a 1780 Spanish Real, said to be recovered from the El Cazador that sunk in 1784 off the Louisiana coast. I posted 4 photos below, of the actual coin I won in the auction.</p><p> My winning bid was $129</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>See link for the auction below.</p><p><a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F110821257441%3FssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT%26_trksid%3Dp3984.m1439.l2649%23ht_500wt_1054" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F110821257441%3FssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT%26_trksid%3Dp3984.m1439.l2649%23ht_500wt_1054" rel="nofollow"><br /></a></p><p><a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F110821257441%3FssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT%26_trksid%3Dp3984.m1439.l2649%23ht_500wt_1054" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F110821257441%3FssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT%26_trksid%3Dp3984.m1439.l2649%23ht_500wt_1054" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F110821257441%3FssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT%26_trksid%3Dp3984.m1439.l2649%23ht_500wt_1054" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F110821257441%3FssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT%26_trksid%3Dp3984.m1439.l2649%23ht_500wt_1054" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebay.com/itm/110821257441?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_500wt_1054</a></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This is my 1st purchase of shipwreck coins, I have a few concerns and Im looking for expertise from people who know a lot about this wreck and the coins that have been recovered.</p><p><br /></p><p>1st of all on the NGC verification page, there is no Photo associated with this coin, on the website.</p><p><br /></p><p><a href="http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=3067303-085" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=3067303-085" rel="nofollow">http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=3067303-085</a> </p><p><br /></p><p>It says not available, this is the 1st coin I have seen with no photo available.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p> 2ndly I am a little concerned about the authenticity of the coin itself.</p><p> Almost all of the coins found on the Cazador were dated 1783. It was a delivery of 450,000 coins just minted in Mexico.</p><p> </p><p>This coin is dated 1780.</p><p><br /></p><p> Also It is in relatively very good condition, it is hard to tell its been underwater over 200 years. Most of the coins retrieved are in poor condition and dont have many details left at all. IM wondering if this coin was on the Cazador, Or if someone took a normal 1780 8R coin and put it in this sleeve and called it shipwreck find.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This coin is graded by NGC so that should ease any concerns I have, but by not having the photo on their website and the year being 1780, when it sounds like all the coins found on the wreck were 1783, freshly minted in Mexico, gives me some pause.</p><p><br /></p><p>I have read in a few places that there is a range of dates for the coins found.</p><p><br /></p><p>Im hoping someone here can shed some light, and maybe they have a 1780 coin also???</p><p><br /></p><p>I have not paid for the auction yet, and the seller is demanding immediate payment.</p><p><br /></p><p>Im hoping you guys can help me, if its not genuine, I dont want to pay for it, but if it is, sounds like a quality coin in great shape from a historic wreck.</p><p><br /></p><p>PLease anyone with any info on this particular coin please give me some info.</p><p><br /></p><p><b><b>1780MO FF MEXICO 8R EL CAZADOR GENUINE NGC</b></b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>Thank you</b></p><p><b><br /></b></p><p><b>[ATTACH]161237.vB[/ATTACH][ATTACH]161238.vB[/ATTACH][ATTACH]161239.vB[/ATTACH][ATTACH]161240.vB[/ATTACH]</b></p><p><b></b>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="azcoin, post: 1369516, member: 36189"][b]El Cazador 1784 Shipwreck - Spanish 8 Real silver coin dates??[/b] Hi Folks, I'm new to this site, I have recently started collecting all types of silver coins, and bars. I recently became fascinated with shipwrecks and salvaged treasure. I won an auction on Ebay for a 1780 Spanish Real, said to be recovered from the El Cazador that sunk in 1784 off the Louisiana coast. I posted 4 photos below, of the actual coin I won in the auction. My winning bid was $129 See link for the auction below. [URL="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F110821257441%3FssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT%26_trksid%3Dp3984.m1439.l2649%23ht_500wt_1054"] [/URL][URL="http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335874456&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fitm%2F110821257441%3FssPageName%3DSTRK%3AMEWNX%3AIT%26_trksid%3Dp3984.m1439.l2649%23ht_500wt_1054"]http://www.ebay.com/itm/110821257441?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649#ht_500wt_1054[/URL] This is my 1st purchase of shipwreck coins, I have a few concerns and Im looking for expertise from people who know a lot about this wreck and the coins that have been recovered. 1st of all on the NGC verification page, there is no Photo associated with this coin, on the website. [URL]http://www.ngccoin.com/certlookup/CertResults.aspx?CertNumber=3067303-085[/URL] It says not available, this is the 1st coin I have seen with no photo available. 2ndly I am a little concerned about the authenticity of the coin itself. Almost all of the coins found on the Cazador were dated 1783. It was a delivery of 450,000 coins just minted in Mexico. This coin is dated 1780. Also It is in relatively very good condition, it is hard to tell its been underwater over 200 years. Most of the coins retrieved are in poor condition and dont have many details left at all. IM wondering if this coin was on the Cazador, Or if someone took a normal 1780 8R coin and put it in this sleeve and called it shipwreck find. This coin is graded by NGC so that should ease any concerns I have, but by not having the photo on their website and the year being 1780, when it sounds like all the coins found on the wreck were 1783, freshly minted in Mexico, gives me some pause. I have read in a few places that there is a range of dates for the coins found. Im hoping someone here can shed some light, and maybe they have a 1780 coin also??? I have not paid for the auction yet, and the seller is demanding immediate payment. Im hoping you guys can help me, if its not genuine, I dont want to pay for it, but if it is, sounds like a quality coin in great shape from a historic wreck. PLease anyone with any info on this particular coin please give me some info. [B][B]1780MO FF MEXICO 8R EL CAZADOR GENUINE NGC[/B] Thank you [ATTACH]161237.vB[/ATTACH][ATTACH]161238.vB[/ATTACH][ATTACH]161239.vB[/ATTACH][ATTACH]161240.vB[/ATTACH] [/B][/QUOTE]
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