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<p>[QUOTE="Clawcoins, post: 9433558, member: 77814"]You've been looking for 1970 DDO for many years since 2017 here and you seem to be Primarily focused on Die Markers instead of the Variety itself.</p><p><br /></p><p>Dies Markers assist in identifying the stage of the die, not the Variety itself.</p><p>But Die Markers can be across a bunch of dies as they can originally come from the Working Hubs before any use.</p><p><br /></p><p><b>Die markers</b> are unique traces of events that have befallen a die. They include, but are not limited to, die scratches, die gouging, die dents, die damage, die clashing, die cracks, die chips, die breaks and even a misaligned die or die rotation.</p><p>Note: <b><i>die markers <u>do not</u> make the coin examined a particular variety – </i></b></p><p><b><i>markers are used <u>in unison</u> with noted variety characteristics. </i></b></p><p><b><i>Many die markers that exist on a variety can be surprisingly similar to marks on a non-variety coin.</i></b> <u>Do not assume otherwise</u>.</p><p>from <a href="https://conecaonline.org/the-9-classes-of-doubled-dies/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://conecaonline.org/the-9-classes-of-doubled-dies/" rel="nofollow">The 9 Classes of Doubled Dies – CONECA (conecaonline.org)</a></p><p><br /></p><p>You want to FIRST identify the Variety (ie, Doubled Die) then confirm it through Markers for a particular Die Stage as a form of <b><i>Secondary </i></b>identification.</p><p>Die Markers do NOT confirm a DD Variety on their own.</p><p><br /></p><p>Overall, you're missing the part about Die Making and Usage.</p><p><br /></p><p>(1) Master Hubs produce multiple Master Dies</p><p>(2) Master Dies produce multiple Working Hubs</p><p><br /></p><p>(3) Working Hubs produce multiple Working Dies</p><p>The (4) Working Dies are used to make coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Example: If a (3) Working Hub accidentally makes a "Doubled Die" (4) Working Die then it would be that one accidental (4) Working Die. The (3) Working Hub may make 100 (4) Working Dies, with only ONE being Doubled Die. The "Original die markers" are from that (3) Working Hub and are the same across all those original 100 (4) Working Dies before use.</p><p><br /></p><p>Thus for the example above you would have 1 of 100 Dies that is Doubled, which is 1% of the dies. But 100% have the same Die Markers from the Working Hub across all the dies before handling damage/ wear/ maintenance which is called "Die Stages".</p><p><br /></p><p>You first Confirm the Doubled Die .... then for confirmation after that you can check the Die Markers for "stages of that specific die".</p><p><br /></p><p>At least that's how I understand it.</p><p><br /></p><p>For instance, Die Markers can help you understand how old the Die was.</p><p>The 1970 S -007 has currently <b><i>FIVE distinct Stages of maintenance and wear. Stage A, B, C, D & E.</i></b></p><p>from <a href="https://doubleddie.com/452412.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://doubleddie.com/452412.html" rel="nofollow">Wexler's Coins and Die Varieties (doubleddie.com)</a></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1522332[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>but some of those "original" markers may be from the Hub.</p><p><br /></p><p>So you have a Doubled Die that you determine BASED upon the DD Indicators.</p><p>Then you can determine the age or "stage" of that die based upon Die Markers for that specific Doubled Die if you are interested in its particular Die Stage, assuming it has more than one identified. Remember, Dies start deteriorating after every slam of a coin, they are constantly deteriorating.</p><p><br /></p><p>here's 1 chat I can find about it</p><p><a href="https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=256460" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=256460" rel="nofollow">What Are Die Markers? - Coin Community Forum</a></p><p><br /></p><p>Hope that makes sense.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Clawcoins, post: 9433558, member: 77814"]You've been looking for 1970 DDO for many years since 2017 here and you seem to be Primarily focused on Die Markers instead of the Variety itself. Dies Markers assist in identifying the stage of the die, not the Variety itself. But Die Markers can be across a bunch of dies as they can originally come from the Working Hubs before any use. [B]Die markers[/B] are unique traces of events that have befallen a die. They include, but are not limited to, die scratches, die gouging, die dents, die damage, die clashing, die cracks, die chips, die breaks and even a misaligned die or die rotation. Note: [B][I]die markers [U]do not[/U] make the coin examined a particular variety – markers are used [U]in unison[/U] with noted variety characteristics. Many die markers that exist on a variety can be surprisingly similar to marks on a non-variety coin.[/I][/B] [U]Do not assume otherwise[/U]. from [URL='https://conecaonline.org/the-9-classes-of-doubled-dies/']The 9 Classes of Doubled Dies – CONECA (conecaonline.org)[/URL] You want to FIRST identify the Variety (ie, Doubled Die) then confirm it through Markers for a particular Die Stage as a form of [B][I]Secondary [/I][/B]identification. Die Markers do NOT confirm a DD Variety on their own. Overall, you're missing the part about Die Making and Usage. (1) Master Hubs produce multiple Master Dies (2) Master Dies produce multiple Working Hubs (3) Working Hubs produce multiple Working Dies The (4) Working Dies are used to make coins. Example: If a (3) Working Hub accidentally makes a "Doubled Die" (4) Working Die then it would be that one accidental (4) Working Die. The (3) Working Hub may make 100 (4) Working Dies, with only ONE being Doubled Die. The "Original die markers" are from that (3) Working Hub and are the same across all those original 100 (4) Working Dies before use. Thus for the example above you would have 1 of 100 Dies that is Doubled, which is 1% of the dies. But 100% have the same Die Markers from the Working Hub across all the dies before handling damage/ wear/ maintenance which is called "Die Stages". You first Confirm the Doubled Die .... then for confirmation after that you can check the Die Markers for "stages of that specific die". At least that's how I understand it. For instance, Die Markers can help you understand how old the Die was. The 1970 S -007 has currently [B][I]FIVE distinct Stages of maintenance and wear. Stage A, B, C, D & E.[/I][/B] from [URL='https://doubleddie.com/452412.html']Wexler's Coins and Die Varieties (doubleddie.com)[/URL] [ATTACH=full]1522332[/ATTACH] but some of those "original" markers may be from the Hub. So you have a Doubled Die that you determine BASED upon the DD Indicators. Then you can determine the age or "stage" of that die based upon Die Markers for that specific Doubled Die if you are interested in its particular Die Stage, assuming it has more than one identified. Remember, Dies start deteriorating after every slam of a coin, they are constantly deteriorating. here's 1 chat I can find about it [URL='https://www.coincommunity.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=256460']What Are Die Markers? - Coin Community Forum[/URL] Hope that makes sense.[/QUOTE]
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