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<p>[QUOTE="Curtisimo, post: 5144022, member: 83845"]Thanks! This makes much more sense.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Thanks for always reading and giving your informed feedback on so many of the threads here. You are a credit to the forum, my friend! You are obviously very knowledgeable in this collecting area (more so than me for sure!).</p><p><br /></p><p>To clarify what I was trying to get across with my original post, I think that both the existing statues and the coins showing a Reclining Nilus are referencing the same artistic tradition established by the original Hellenistic statue. What I mean is that the original statue forever linked Nilus shown in a reclining position with the nilometer measurement through the personifications of the pekheis. The "IϚ" shows up overwhelmingly on the Reclining Nilus reverses but much less often on other types. If it were an independent attribute or even a hopeful invocation you would think it would show up more often on the types where Nilus is the primary subject.</p><p><br /></p><p>To illustrate what I mean I went back and did a quick accounting through the CNG archives to quantify how often IϚ shows up on a sampling of reverse types.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1207580[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1207582[/ATTACH]</p><p><i>Reclining Nilus with "16" (Image courtesy of CNG)</i></p><p><br /></p><p>85% of the examples I found of the reclining type had the "16" called out either in the legend or near the genius like in this example. Some of the examples I did not count as having a "16" were worn enough that they may have originally so the percentage is probably higher.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1207584[/ATTACH]</p><p><i>Seated Nilus without "16" (Image courtesy of CNG)</i></p><p><br /></p><p>Only 10% (2 of 20) of the seated Nilus reverses had a "16" that was not associated with the date. It is interesting though that a lot of these seem to have been minted in RY 16. The example you posted, Z, is an example of a coin not in RY 16 that also does not have a "16".</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1207585[/ATTACH]</p><p><i>Seated within Temple (Image courtesy of CNG)</i></p><p><br /></p><p>This is a cool reverse and seems to show the seated on a rock type in miniature. There is not a "16" noted on the design.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1207588[/ATTACH]</p><p><i>Nilus bust right (Image courtesy of CNG)</i></p><p><br /></p><p>This type shows a bust of Nilus, usually with a cornucopia and genius but none of the examples showed "16."</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1207587[/ATTACH]</p><p><i>Nilus on Hippo (Image courtesy of CNG)</i></p><p><br /></p><p>None of the very cool Hippo type showed a "16"</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1207594[/ATTACH]</p><p><i>Seated Nilus with Euthenia (Image courtesy of CNG)</i></p><p><br /></p><p>None of the reverses with Euthenia or Alexandria (seated or standing) that I found had a "16."</p><p><br /></p><p style="text-align: center">.....................................</p><p><br /></p><p>So I guess in conclusion I am theorizing that the "16 cubits" is most closely linked to the reclining reverse specifically and that all of the other Nilus representations are drawing from different artistic inspirations in which the "16" was not necessarily an essential part.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtisimo, post: 5144022, member: 83845"]Thanks! This makes much more sense. Thanks for always reading and giving your informed feedback on so many of the threads here. You are a credit to the forum, my friend! You are obviously very knowledgeable in this collecting area (more so than me for sure!). To clarify what I was trying to get across with my original post, I think that both the existing statues and the coins showing a Reclining Nilus are referencing the same artistic tradition established by the original Hellenistic statue. What I mean is that the original statue forever linked Nilus shown in a reclining position with the nilometer measurement through the personifications of the pekheis. The "IϚ" shows up overwhelmingly on the Reclining Nilus reverses but much less often on other types. If it were an independent attribute or even a hopeful invocation you would think it would show up more often on the types where Nilus is the primary subject. To illustrate what I mean I went back and did a quick accounting through the CNG archives to quantify how often IϚ shows up on a sampling of reverse types. [ATTACH=full]1207580[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]1207582[/ATTACH] [I]Reclining Nilus with "16" (Image courtesy of CNG)[/I] 85% of the examples I found of the reclining type had the "16" called out either in the legend or near the genius like in this example. Some of the examples I did not count as having a "16" were worn enough that they may have originally so the percentage is probably higher. [ATTACH=full]1207584[/ATTACH] [I]Seated Nilus without "16" (Image courtesy of CNG)[/I] Only 10% (2 of 20) of the seated Nilus reverses had a "16" that was not associated with the date. It is interesting though that a lot of these seem to have been minted in RY 16. The example you posted, Z, is an example of a coin not in RY 16 that also does not have a "16". [ATTACH=full]1207585[/ATTACH] [I]Seated within Temple (Image courtesy of CNG)[/I] This is a cool reverse and seems to show the seated on a rock type in miniature. There is not a "16" noted on the design. [ATTACH=full]1207588[/ATTACH] [I]Nilus bust right (Image courtesy of CNG)[/I] This type shows a bust of Nilus, usually with a cornucopia and genius but none of the examples showed "16." [ATTACH=full]1207587[/ATTACH] [I]Nilus on Hippo (Image courtesy of CNG)[/I] None of the very cool Hippo type showed a "16" [ATTACH=full]1207594[/ATTACH] [I]Seated Nilus with Euthenia (Image courtesy of CNG)[/I] None of the reverses with Euthenia or Alexandria (seated or standing) that I found had a "16." [CENTER].....................................[/CENTER] So I guess in conclusion I am theorizing that the "16 cubits" is most closely linked to the reclining reverse specifically and that all of the other Nilus representations are drawing from different artistic inspirations in which the "16" was not necessarily an essential part.[/QUOTE]
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