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<p>[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2964589, member: 56859"]Yes, your coin shows Nilus seated. You are correct about the Emmett number (879) and Milne number. I'd get up and check my Dattari book but that means getting out of bed and that's just too much work right now <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie8" alt=":D" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> (Is it weird that I happened to have Emmett's book in bed with me, along with the Triton Staffieri catalog? <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie10" alt=":oops:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" />)</p><p><br /></p><p>As for the obverse legend, Emmett's book gives the legends at the top of each page for that emperor/empress, grouped by year of issue. Per Emmett, as a year 20 tet your coin's obverse legend is, as you noted, ΑVΤ ΚΑΙC ΤΡΑΙΑΝ ΑΔΡΙΑΝΟC CΕΒ. However, there are many instances in which the legends vary from what they are "supposed" to be. He is coming out with a second book detailing variants in legends and such. Unfortunately it skips the earlier emperors and will cover Elagabalus through Domitius Domitianus. For emperors like Hadrian and Antoninus Pius, number of coins and legend variations is probably staggering.</p><p><br /></p><p>Part of the obverse legend is (presumably) off flan but it is likely legend matches what Emmett says it should be.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's what I see:</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]726285[/ATTACH]</p><p>There are smidgens of partial letters at the neck truncation.</p><p><br /></p><p>Coins of Roman Egypt were not always well made and it is hard to find coins with full and legible legends. Your coin has much more of the legend than most.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's an Emmett 879.20 from CNG and it has letters continuing below Hadrian's neck. It's not a die match but it does have the legend starting at the ~2:00 position like yours, instead of the more often seen ~7:00 position.. Note that the legend is different from what Emmett says it should be; "TPAIAN" is abbreviated to "TPA", which is seen on Hadrian tets from years 21 and 22, per Emmett. Given the general size of letters on your coin, I suspect yours had "TPAIAN" below the neck.</p><p><br /></p><p><img src="https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/enlarged/3770265.jpg" class="bbCodeImage wysiwygImage" alt="" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>One of the things I enjoy about collecting Roman Egypt is that most books don't get too hung up on such minor variations. I'd rather focus on the interesting iconography.</p><p>...</p><p><br /></p><p>Here's a Hadrian Nilus drachm from a coin show ~4 years ago. Weakly struck and but not terrible for the type <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]726286[/ATTACH]</p><p><b>EGYPT, Alexandria. Hadrian</b></p><p>year 16, CE 131/2</p><p>Æ drachm</p><p>Obv: AVTKAI TPAIA∆PIACE[B seems to be missing or barely squeezed in], laureate and draped bust right, seen from behind</p><p>Rev: Nilus seated left on rock, reed in hand; crocodile below [LI] S in left field</p><p>Ref: Emmett 1016.16[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="TIF, post: 2964589, member: 56859"]Yes, your coin shows Nilus seated. You are correct about the Emmett number (879) and Milne number. I'd get up and check my Dattari book but that means getting out of bed and that's just too much work right now :D (Is it weird that I happened to have Emmett's book in bed with me, along with the Triton Staffieri catalog? :oops:) As for the obverse legend, Emmett's book gives the legends at the top of each page for that emperor/empress, grouped by year of issue. Per Emmett, as a year 20 tet your coin's obverse legend is, as you noted, ΑVΤ ΚΑΙC ΤΡΑΙΑΝ ΑΔΡΙΑΝΟC CΕΒ. However, there are many instances in which the legends vary from what they are "supposed" to be. He is coming out with a second book detailing variants in legends and such. Unfortunately it skips the earlier emperors and will cover Elagabalus through Domitius Domitianus. For emperors like Hadrian and Antoninus Pius, number of coins and legend variations is probably staggering. Part of the obverse legend is (presumably) off flan but it is likely legend matches what Emmett says it should be. Here's what I see: [ATTACH=full]726285[/ATTACH] There are smidgens of partial letters at the neck truncation. Coins of Roman Egypt were not always well made and it is hard to find coins with full and legible legends. Your coin has much more of the legend than most. Here's an Emmett 879.20 from CNG and it has letters continuing below Hadrian's neck. It's not a die match but it does have the legend starting at the ~2:00 position like yours, instead of the more often seen ~7:00 position.. Note that the legend is different from what Emmett says it should be; "TPAIAN" is abbreviated to "TPA", which is seen on Hadrian tets from years 21 and 22, per Emmett. Given the general size of letters on your coin, I suspect yours had "TPAIAN" below the neck. [IMG]https://www.cngcoins.com/photos/enlarged/3770265.jpg[/IMG] One of the things I enjoy about collecting Roman Egypt is that most books don't get too hung up on such minor variations. I'd rather focus on the interesting iconography. ... Here's a Hadrian Nilus drachm from a coin show ~4 years ago. Weakly struck and but not terrible for the type :) [ATTACH=full]726286[/ATTACH] [B]EGYPT, Alexandria. Hadrian[/B] year 16, CE 131/2 Æ drachm Obv: AVTKAI TPAIA∆PIACE[B seems to be missing or barely squeezed in], laureate and draped bust right, seen from behind Rev: Nilus seated left on rock, reed in hand; crocodile below [LI] S in left field Ref: Emmett 1016.16[/QUOTE]
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