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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1417354, member: 112"]Are you sure those are all contact marks ? Or could a lot, or even some of them, be the toning itself making you think you are seeing contact marks ? I sure can't say either way based on those pics. As you say, and as I said, you'd have to see the coin in hand.</p><p><br /></p><p>As for the luster - suppose the coin has all the attributes, besides luster, that an MS66 or a 67 would have ? If that were the case then the coin could easily be worthy of an MS65 grade. </p><p><br /></p><p>And a lot of people get confused by the luster issue. They think that in order for a coin to have good luster that the coin has to be bright and shiny and that you have to be able to see the cartwheel effect when you turn the coin in the light.</p><p><br /></p><p>Well, that's not true. A coin have great luster and you'll never see the cartwheel effect. How can that be ? Easy, you just have to know what luster really is. Luster is not the cartwheel effect. The cartwheel effect is merely something is caused, something that is created by luster. What luster really is is a series of very fine lines across the surface of a coin which were created by the metal flowing when the coin was struck. And those very fine lines caused by the metal flow could very easily be on that coin, meaning the coin has good luster. You just can't see them in those pics because the toning is keeping the light from being reflected back to your eye.</p><p><br /></p><p>But if you saw the coin in hand, and looked at it with a glass, then you'd see that those very fine lines are there, that the luster is there.</p><p><br /></p><p>Yeah I know, probably sounds weird me defending how a coin is graded. But that's not what I am doing. What I am doing is explaining how grading really works, that things that not everybody knows or even thinks of. </p><p><br /></p><p>There are a million exceptions, a million different combinations of various things that go into determining the grade of a coin. And this is just one of them.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 1417354, member: 112"]Are you sure those are all contact marks ? Or could a lot, or even some of them, be the toning itself making you think you are seeing contact marks ? I sure can't say either way based on those pics. As you say, and as I said, you'd have to see the coin in hand. As for the luster - suppose the coin has all the attributes, besides luster, that an MS66 or a 67 would have ? If that were the case then the coin could easily be worthy of an MS65 grade. And a lot of people get confused by the luster issue. They think that in order for a coin to have good luster that the coin has to be bright and shiny and that you have to be able to see the cartwheel effect when you turn the coin in the light. Well, that's not true. A coin have great luster and you'll never see the cartwheel effect. How can that be ? Easy, you just have to know what luster really is. Luster is not the cartwheel effect. The cartwheel effect is merely something is caused, something that is created by luster. What luster really is is a series of very fine lines across the surface of a coin which were created by the metal flowing when the coin was struck. And those very fine lines caused by the metal flow could very easily be on that coin, meaning the coin has good luster. You just can't see them in those pics because the toning is keeping the light from being reflected back to your eye. But if you saw the coin in hand, and looked at it with a glass, then you'd see that those very fine lines are there, that the luster is there. Yeah I know, probably sounds weird me defending how a coin is graded. But that's not what I am doing. What I am doing is explaining how grading really works, that things that not everybody knows or even thinks of. There are a million exceptions, a million different combinations of various things that go into determining the grade of a coin. And this is just one of them.[/QUOTE]
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