eBay's liberal use of PL and DMPL

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That photo has been juiced Markus. Was the seller "wholesale DMPL" or something like that? It looks like his work

 

Yeah - BUT - the OP's coin looks nothing even close - just a nice looking Morgan. NOT PL, and not even close to a DMPL!
I would say his Morgan is a MS63

 

Sure, if the photo is of the coin showing a clear reflection of something.

What irks me on eBay is when people use the word "rainbow" to mean "any toning whatsoever." When I see "rainbow," I want to see at least 3 colors!

 

OUCH! - Like this? And it's graded!

 

Not quite what I was thinking of, but I'd say "rainbow" would be accurate in this case.

 

I can't beleive PCGS fell for that!!

 

Unless it's in a Secure holder, I don't think PCGS *did* fall for it... I'd say "PST" (post slab toning).

 

You think? That's quite a coloring - maybe somone stuck the slab into a sulpher (gas) filled vacuum chamber? After all, like Mike Trivisanno says - "Americans are the greatest scam artists"!

 

Well, it could have been a chemical applied to the surface before the coin was submitted that *might* have been caught by the sniffer. That's why I'm considering adopting a new policy of treating any non-Secure toning as I would raw... ergo: no excessive premiums.

 

All of this monkey business is why I almost always shy away from toned coins, as much as I like some of them.

 

AHA!! Another way to scam the coin dealers! It never stops!

 

Or Anacs

 

I say yes - several sellers like to use those words. The pictures then hide the cleaning and other issues they have. My father won a couple of these and once we saw them they got returned. I think one seller grumbled but accepted the return. He now stays away from those auctions.

 

I'm just curious if this "linked" coin qualifies for your definition of DMPL?: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1883-O-1-DM...330572?hash=item488898578c:g:528AAOSwuYVWnWhH

 

Looks good.

 

I would say "yes" but only because PCGS has called it so. It's a fool's errand to make any such decision about a raw coin in the absence of clear photographic evidence, and that's not nearly as easy as it sounds.

Long experience tells me that the "darker" look of the fields is a pretty good indicator of reflective surfaces (under some regimens of imaging technique), but I'd still feel like I was taking a big chance at such a coin if it weren't slabbed since PL and DMPL both look like that. And the price is off the upper end of the charts for the grade/designation.

 

My brain, absent the holder, would say PL or DMPL MS63-MS65. I would need to see more of the hits, as the "toning" hides much of both the mirrors and scratches. But, yes, when looking for raw PL/DMPL, I'm looking for contrast, absent a clear mirrored image of a newspaper article.

Mind you, essentially, my brain views PL/DMPL/UPL as the business strike equivalent of PR/CAM/DCAM for proofs.

 

Hi - I have been out of collecting for 30 years. Would you please explain what SNAD,
DMPL, PR/CAM/DCAM, and PL/DMPL/UPL mean?

Thanks - Rick

 

SNAD - Significantly not as described; references an eBay status level for returns
DMPL - Deeply Mirrored Proof Like surfaces
PR - Proof
CAM - Cameo
DCAM - Deeply Cameo
PL - Prooflike
DMPL - see above
UPL - Ultra proof like