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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;Paul M., post: 2358725, member: 73165&quot;]I agree that original surfaces are really what should be valued.&nbsp; For a coin of a certain age, that&#039;s going to imply a certain degree of toning, even for red copper as it &quot;mellows.&quot; </p><p><br /></p><p>I don&#039;t really have a problem with people ATing relatively non-collectible modern coins and selling them on Fleabay.&nbsp; I do take issue with people messing with otherwise nice Peace dollars, for instance, but a generic, modern, silver proof Washington quarter?&nbsp; Who cares. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I would not have paid $8000+ for that, but it is one of the nicest looking clad quarters I&#039;ve ever seen, without a doubt.&nbsp; I could easily see myself paying multiple hundreds for it.&nbsp; I&#039;m pretty sure the PCGS price guide listing of $4500 is distorted by this one coin.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>It depends on the coins and the seller!&nbsp; KryptoniteComics sells some awesome toners, some of which are even raw.&nbsp; I&#039;ve never seen anything I&#039;d consider suspect that wasn&#039;t labelled as such.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I think it&#039;s fair for the market value of a pretty coin to be significantly higher than that of an ugly coin, all other things being equal.&nbsp; And, for two NT/MA coins of the same grade, who&#039;s to say which has the more &quot;original&quot; surfaces?&nbsp; It&#039;s practically impossible to tell unless you know the entire provenance of the coin from the day it left the Mint.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>100% correct regarding black toning.&nbsp; I can&#039;t speak to your historical point about dipping coins white to show a lack of damage, but I do think that&#039;s kind of an absurd thing to do.&nbsp; Dipping literally strips the surfaces of the coin away, <i>causing</i> microscopic damage.&nbsp; IMO, if the luster is not impaired, and the toning is not too dark, doesn&#039;t come off with acetone, and has the right color progressions, very few coins should be dipped.&nbsp; (Granted, I have seen one or two at a dealer&#039;s table that both he and I agreed needed a dip to get rid of really ugly toning, but those are the 1% exception.)</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law" rel="nofollow">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law</a>[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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