eBay to ban unsearched rolls?

So...what you are saying is, I can list an item using any lie I want? Let me ask you this...if I list something as an "unsearched what roll" how do I know it's a wheat roll if it's unsearched? That alone should be proof enough.

 

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"Rare" describes something that's common or uncommon - something that the numismatic community can openly agree on.
"Unsearched" describes a state that the coins are in - something only you as a seller knows.

 

You're assuming things you can't prove. You can't prove that every seller who sells "unsearched" rolls is lying. Unsearched for what? Errors, RPMs, doubled dies, grades, woodies? And btw, I found my 1955 DDO Lincoln in an unsearched bag of wheats from Ebay.

People can lie about just about anything. They can lie and say the counterfeit '09S VDB they are selling is real. Do we ban the selling of all coins where there are known counterfeits? They can lie about a coin being cleaned and say it's MS. Do we ban the use of the term MS from all auctions? Again, unless you want Ebay to turn into a Heritage, or Great Collections where only the sell of TPG plastic is allowed, you're just going to have to accept the possibility that sellers can lie, and it's up to the buyer to use his best judgement to make that determination.

 

I think they should be able to use the word "unsearched" in the roll description/title. It helps me to keep away from the con artist.

 

I hope they can clean ebay up and take out some of those fake made up rolls like the one seller that sells CC morgan rolls

 

Maybe the guys selling "unsearched" rolls will find something honest to sell.
It's better to make money from the smart collectors who know what they're buying than to take advantage of a novice.

 

Agreed.

 

Realy detecto unethical sellers? I remember when you did something just like this

 

I don't think Ebay has to prove fraud as long they can prove there is intent to fraud, and a listing saying unsearched is deceitful at the least. Those rolls can't say wheat roll unless you know they are full of wheats, and the wrappers for the most part are too new to be full of wheats. Therefore they were searched. How many of the CT members have ever gone to the bank in 1958 and found a roll with CWT or Barber Dime ender? How many have hundreds of them? I look at the sellers feedback and you used to be able to see what a member purchased(you still can in some cases) now most are private. I remember looking up a seller that had rolls and rolls of unsearched wheats with valuable end coins even some gold dollars only to see where they were the winning bidder of the same coin from a legitimate Ebay seller. Ebay should research these sellers and make them guarantee with refund or replacement the coins are what they are , that would stop a lot of it. Ebay has the history of every member so they could research the purchase of those end coins themselves. Buyer be ware is correct, but being honest is more important.

 

What was the alleged similar offense?

 

ONLY if YOU choose to LIE. You have no idea whether of not a seller is Lying.

How would a seller know if its a wheat roll if its been "unsearched"?

Simple, as the OP in the EBay thread, he simply loaded coins from a bag of wheat cents into the rolls. He didn't search them but that's not saying that someone else hasn't. He's just saying that HE didn't search them.

What you are suggesting is that only verified original bank rolls could be sold as "unsearched" even though these are possible to open and reseal with enough patience.

What I am saying is that not every body that sells unsearched, yet put together, rolls of coins may not have searched them and its up to the "buyer" to make that determination. Not more RULES designed to protect stupid from him/herself.

There is no cure for stupid and those that have tried have done nothing more than burden honest folks with impossible rules to work with.

 

Nuff said and Congratulations.

 

Well I guess you missed out on jallengomez's 55 DDO then.

Unless, of course, you think it's a lie.

 

Great analogy. I had to laugh because its so true!

 

19Lyds - What do you think happens more often:

1. Someone sells searched rolls/bags, or loaded rolls.
2. Someone sells genuine unsearched rolls or bags and a gem is found.

Lol this is pretty much a dead topic, always has been. Don't buy them.

 

As to my opinion on the matter. There are many ways to view this matter. The term "unsearched" can easily be related back to when ebay banned coin posts from having a designated grade unless graded by an accepted TPG. I don't believe this was a good marketing move on their part. Coins should be bought from the pics and the buyer should make his/her own grading judgment. As much as grading is subjective, the term "unsearched" is. Just because they were bought as "unsearched" and there was nothing good in the batch, doesn't mean they were searched. I have searched through countless elderly peoples penny jars(pretty obvious, genuinely unsearched)of indian head cents and lincoln cents to come up with just about nothing. People do have the occasional good find from ebay. It is not unheard of. At the same time, buyers need to use their own judgment. If it looks to good to be true...you know the rest. (i.e.- two VDB's on either end of a cent roll) What are the genuine chances that that could actually happen? Slim. I'd avoid it!

 

Not really. It's like "Uhhh I had a gold coin somewhere inside my house and can't find it anymore...might be inside one of 1000 penny rolls I have, but can not guarantee"

If one sucker thinks he may find the lost coin inside a roll, it's not the seller's fault.

 

I think ebay has the right to write what ever policy they wish to ,,if it will ensure the protection for the buyer from these dirtbagg sellers. I got this coin on ebay the other day and it was not the coin he listed ...it was the same type but not as nearly as nice.....I payed only $10 bucks for it and the only reason I payed so much was because it looked so very nice without a mark on it. well the seller wanted to refund $4 dollars back to me and I said no way I want the whole amount back. Its fraud no matter how to cut it and ebay needs to step in and stop these people from doing this kind of business.

 

Completely different than what is being said in the analogy. It is saying that the seller is selling coins that the seller himself genuinely did not search, but that doesn't meant the guy he bought them from didn't search them, or "wreck the car."

 

When I go on eBay, and I see brand new roll wrappers on unsearched 60+ year old cents, with sales pitches like "indian head and VDB showing (09s vdb???? ) YES YES YES YES, I CALL COMPLETE BS ON IT. I wouldn't care if my grandmother was selling them.