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Message:: [QUOTE="desertgem, post: 2685887, member: 15199"]Remember that 1909 IH cents were first that year, and only in July ,1909 was the Lincoln die approved with VDB on the reverse. Somehow , as things often work in Gov.,after release as such, it was decided in August 1909 to remove the initials entirely as neither Barber nor Brenner ( who felt the design was not his artistic proposal in production), was happy. The initials on the mother hub had to be removed. The mint said it would take 14 days or more to make a new mother die with out the initials, or they could grind the initials off the produced master hubs and use those. The demand was so great by the population, and rumors the cents would be recalled, started mob responses to obtain quantities of the coins with VDB. By the middle of August, the new dies were available, although the reverses were said to be lightened so the grinding was less obvious, and the mint started minting the new BS coins madly due to the demand. This continued the rest of the year. Since they were trying to supply the demand of BS foremost, the preparation and issuing of dies for Matte Proofs was probably extremely limited, as I would have felt that the unpopular matte proof demand had already been met with the DVB. I have the mint record book some place, but if someone else wishes to explore that, thats fine if I am wrong. The government was trying to keep the people happy. P.S. Thanks Kevin for the info ~    Jim[/QUOTE]