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<p>[QUOTE="SuperDave, post: 2655294, member: 1892"]It takes some pretty remarkable mental gymnastics to arrive at that conclusion, so I won't bother to try changing your mind. You have to be tired enough by now. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie1" alt=":)" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /></p><p><br /></p><p>However, I <i>will</i> mention a couple things for the benefit those reading while holding more open minds. </p><p><br /></p><p>First, there is no ethical defense for withholding the information that a professional third-party evaluator whose opinion is widely accredited as "capable" considers the coin you're offering cleaned, damaged or of a different grade than the one you claim. If you send a coin to PCGS and it comes back 92'd (or similar), and then crack it and offer it for sale without mentioning that opinion, shame on you. The fact that you refuse to mention the opinion is damning evidence in itself.</p><p><br /></p><p>Yes, the TPG's get it wrong sometimes. It's your right to disagree. But considering yourself their superior is kinda silly on its' face. They've seen more cleaned coins <b>this week</b> than you may have in your entire career. Do you have the equipment to detect chemical residue on the surface of a coin? Somebody who gets paid to know - right or wrong - has offered a public opinion regarding that coin and you're deliberately refusing to acknowledge that opinion. That makes you greasy.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Let us contrast that with the idea of offering a coin for sale for which you've not bothered to do appropriate due diligence. You, as a seller, are purely responsible - like any other retailer of the last three millennia or so - for determining the value and pricing of your offering. You can't use ignorance as an excuse for breaking the law, either. This, to one extent or another, is a fundamental aspect of buying coins or anything else, for that matter. Do you know anyone who has never, <b>ever</b> paid less than the maximum they possibly could have for something? Someone willing to pay $10,000 for a loaf of bread? The last loaf in the store before the hurricane hits might_just be worth that to someone, except there's laws against gouging.</p><p><br /></p><p><i>This is how a trade-based economy works. </i> A few years ago, I made a fairly decent market - for a short while - in certain used electronic gear with a trading partner overseas who had access to a clientele who couldn't get what I was selling. He gave me double the money which I could get in America for the stuff, and only did that because he was profiting on the flip. It only happened because I sold something at auction, and when it hammered well above what I thought it worth, I inquired of the buyer. Hell, I was going to cut his price some, because what he paid was so ridiculous, until he told me he had plenty of margin left on his end.</p><p><br /></p><p>Otherwise I'd have been ignorant, and would have cheerfully sold him all the gear he could buy for well less than he would have paid me had I not asked.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you want to be a successful retailer, you sell things for the lowest price you can get away with in order to build business and command the market. If you could sell those things for a lot more, and fail to do so, that's not my fault.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>The difference? In one case, the seller knows better and deliberately holds back relevant information in order to artificially inflate the price. In the other, the seller lacks information it's his fundamental responsibility to acquire and undersells something he should have known better about.</p><p><br /></p><p>The two do not conflate in any moral sense, regardless of how you twist things.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="SuperDave, post: 2655294, member: 1892"]It takes some pretty remarkable mental gymnastics to arrive at that conclusion, so I won't bother to try changing your mind. You have to be tired enough by now. :) However, I [I]will[/I] mention a couple things for the benefit those reading while holding more open minds. First, there is no ethical defense for withholding the information that a professional third-party evaluator whose opinion is widely accredited as "capable" considers the coin you're offering cleaned, damaged or of a different grade than the one you claim. If you send a coin to PCGS and it comes back 92'd (or similar), and then crack it and offer it for sale without mentioning that opinion, shame on you. The fact that you refuse to mention the opinion is damning evidence in itself. Yes, the TPG's get it wrong sometimes. It's your right to disagree. But considering yourself their superior is kinda silly on its' face. They've seen more cleaned coins [B]this week[/B] than you may have in your entire career. Do you have the equipment to detect chemical residue on the surface of a coin? Somebody who gets paid to know - right or wrong - has offered a public opinion regarding that coin and you're deliberately refusing to acknowledge that opinion. That makes you greasy. Let us contrast that with the idea of offering a coin for sale for which you've not bothered to do appropriate due diligence. You, as a seller, are purely responsible - like any other retailer of the last three millennia or so - for determining the value and pricing of your offering. You can't use ignorance as an excuse for breaking the law, either. This, to one extent or another, is a fundamental aspect of buying coins or anything else, for that matter. Do you know anyone who has never, [B]ever[/B] paid less than the maximum they possibly could have for something? Someone willing to pay $10,000 for a loaf of bread? The last loaf in the store before the hurricane hits might_just be worth that to someone, except there's laws against gouging. [I]This is how a trade-based economy works. [/I] A few years ago, I made a fairly decent market - for a short while - in certain used electronic gear with a trading partner overseas who had access to a clientele who couldn't get what I was selling. He gave me double the money which I could get in America for the stuff, and only did that because he was profiting on the flip. It only happened because I sold something at auction, and when it hammered well above what I thought it worth, I inquired of the buyer. Hell, I was going to cut his price some, because what he paid was so ridiculous, until he told me he had plenty of margin left on his end. Otherwise I'd have been ignorant, and would have cheerfully sold him all the gear he could buy for well less than he would have paid me had I not asked. If you want to be a successful retailer, you sell things for the lowest price you can get away with in order to build business and command the market. If you could sell those things for a lot more, and fail to do so, that's not my fault. The difference? In one case, the seller knows better and deliberately holds back relevant information in order to artificially inflate the price. In the other, the seller lacks information it's his fundamental responsibility to acquire and undersells something he should have known better about. The two do not conflate in any moral sense, regardless of how you twist things.[/QUOTE]
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