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Message:: [QUOTE="illini420, post: 2647257, member: 19423"]The OP can disregard the informed opinions of many here all he wants.  But the OP should know that if he sells this as a Proof, takes in a bunch of money, and then it turns out it is not a proof, when the new owner makes a claim to PCGS under the guarantee you can bet that PCGS will be coming back to the OP for payment under the submission guidelines and mechanical error rules. Read the fine print on the back of the submission form... you agreed to those rules and you're on notice by the many here and also from Brian Wagner that this coin may not in fact be a proof. All grading companies, even PCGS, makes mistakes from time to time and PCGS will not let you profit off of those mistakes nor should they. I had them grade one of my coins that turned out to be a mechanical error where I would have made a $100k+ profit... but I sent it right back to PCGS because I know the rules of submitting coins and that I'd be on the hook if someone ever made a claim through the guarantee down the road. That said, I agree that the coin does not look like a proof based on any of the pictures provided.  It has a proof look to it, but NONE of the required diagnostics.  I would need to see the coin in hand to confirm that they are not just hidden by the photos, but I seriously doubt that as TrueView photos usually show at least a few of the diagnostics of a genuine 1909 VDB proof.[/QUOTE]