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<p>[QUOTE="aubade21, post: 2738859, member: 44104"]Yes, you can shill on a coin, win it, cancel the sale, and then leave feedback (to your 2nd account or to your buddy). I do not know how frequently it occurs on ebay, but there are a few select sellers that do it on many of their auctions. I have a buddy that is part of the ebay counterfeit / fraud detection group (for coins), and when it happens, we pass those auctions along to him. I don't know how they handle it after that, but I assume they look for trends, and eventually, warn/lock accounts if there is enough evidence. </p><p><br /></p><p>Another method of shilling (and one that is particularly frustrating) occurs when a shill bidder bids the minimum increment a number of times until they reach (and surpass) a legit bidders maximum bid. So if a potential buyer puts in a healthy maximum bid early in the auction, lets say 200 bucks, and that raises the current bid $50, the shill bidder then will bid all the way up to $205. At that point, the shill bidder gets their last bid retracted (back to 200, but not winning) so they can squeeze everything they can from the top buyer. It's all about greed, and it is for this reason, I only bid with a few seconds to go on ebay auctions.</p><p><br /></p><p>About a year ago, a couple of EAC members started a Facebook discussion group to identify fakes/bad sellers on ebay. It has helped to clean up ebay (especially for novice buyers)...to a degree.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="aubade21, post: 2738859, member: 44104"]Yes, you can shill on a coin, win it, cancel the sale, and then leave feedback (to your 2nd account or to your buddy). I do not know how frequently it occurs on ebay, but there are a few select sellers that do it on many of their auctions. I have a buddy that is part of the ebay counterfeit / fraud detection group (for coins), and when it happens, we pass those auctions along to him. I don't know how they handle it after that, but I assume they look for trends, and eventually, warn/lock accounts if there is enough evidence. Another method of shilling (and one that is particularly frustrating) occurs when a shill bidder bids the minimum increment a number of times until they reach (and surpass) a legit bidders maximum bid. So if a potential buyer puts in a healthy maximum bid early in the auction, lets say 200 bucks, and that raises the current bid $50, the shill bidder then will bid all the way up to $205. At that point, the shill bidder gets their last bid retracted (back to 200, but not winning) so they can squeeze everything they can from the top buyer. It's all about greed, and it is for this reason, I only bid with a few seconds to go on ebay auctions. About a year ago, a couple of EAC members started a Facebook discussion group to identify fakes/bad sellers on ebay. It has helped to clean up ebay (especially for novice buyers)...to a degree.[/QUOTE]
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