EBAY SELLER, AT COINS!

Ask that question at your own risk. Try searching past threads regarding the subject. Tons of threads about it. However, be warned cause there is a lot of ugliness in those threads lol

 

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You cannot pass a law against every imaginable form of human endeavor. Society depends just as much on ethics and knowing the basic difference between right and wrong to function properly.

Just because something is not illegal doesn't make it OK. And the sellers of these junk coins, I guarantee you, would defend themselves with "I'm not doing anything illegal" instead of "I'm not doing anything wrong."

 

I call those rules of the "BAY" say anything, do anything "right or wrong"

 

I've had to think about that question for a bit. Frankly, I would have to say no I wouldn't. Yes I think a lot of his toned coins are AT. But he never claims they are natural, and he offers a 14 day return period with no "stocking fee". Yes some people will get burned, but I think this is a case of caveat emptor. If you don't know what you are buying you had better learn, and these are an inexpensive lesson. You can try and help people but at some point they have to make their own mistakes.

 

I think the big fraud was selling the coin world that toned was better.

 

it is about how much money any given sellers make
for ebay. ebay won't care much about what a seller
does just as long as they keep bringing in plenty of
money, dishonest or not.

 

if someone were to purchase one of the sellers AT
coins and send it to ngc and it comes back AT, then
there is some proof of what the seller is doing. if someone
were to do the same thing with a few hundred of the coins
bought from that seller, that is even more proof.

 

it is not about passing every law imaginable, there is already a law
against what the seller is doing, it's called mail fraud.

 

No its not hes selling a toned coin as long as he sends that coin it's definitely not mail fraud. Clearly if they'd all straight grade he'd be submitting them but trying to prosecute that for mail fraud would get laughed out of court

 

AT/NT is impossible to prove unless you witness the process. Just because a 3rd party gives an opinion that the coin is AT means nothing.

 

There isn't even a consensus- much less anything remotely carrying the force of a regulation - regarding the defintion of "natural" toning. It's kind of silly to contemplate specific action against a duck if we don't agree on what a duck looks like.

 

Except that there is no fraud. He makes no claims other than that the coins are toned. He doesn't claim naturally toned or artificially toned, just toned. Are you saying they are NOT toned? Because if they are toned, however it happened, then he has described them accurately and there is no fraud. The buyers expectations or beliefs do not constitute fraud on the sellers part without specific claims or representations having been made.

 

You can slap some stickers on your car and modify it a bit, but it still ain't a Ferrari:

But it's not illegal to do so, and if that makes you happy...go right ahead.
My job is to know what it is....and not laugh in your face about it.

 

No fraud here. The guy is peddling toned coins. He doesn't say how they were toned. End of story.

 

so as long as he sends A toned coin then it's okay?
you all just agree with each other despite common sense.
social media has made everybody think alike.
by your logic a seller could post photos in his listings
of high value coins and then just send some junk coins
with low value instead, and most everybody on here thinks
that would be okay.

 

in his listings for "toned" franklin halves the seller mentions
how buyers can just buy coins from him and send them to
ncg and pcgs, instead of paying hundreds or even thousands
of dollars for a toned coin.

 

the law does not require something to be proven
beyond any and all doubt.

 

frankly, everybody on here should have enough
common sense to figure out the the seller is
toning the coins and then listing them on ebay.
who could not see that?

 

Yes as long as he sends what is listed it is okay.

It's ironic you mention common sense yet display none considering no one has said anything even remotely close to he can list a high value coin and send junk, but if you want to just start making things up that is your right

 

Criminal law most certainly has to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt which translates to almost none when you look at how it applies in real life.