eBay seller and a slabbed coin.

When you went on ebay you agreed to rules (and if you didn't read them you should have)
[h=3]Rules about bidding and paying[/h]
"√ You must pay for any item you buy.
Many of the items on eBay are sold in an auction-style format where you can make bids. Bidding is a lot of fun, but remember that each bid you make is a binding contract to buy the item if you win. The same is true for Buy It Now purchases. Not paying for an item after you have agreed to buy it has some negative consequences, which are explained in our unpaid item policy."

What part of "binding contract to buy" do you not understand? A bid is a statement by you that you are entering a binding contract to pay if you win the auction.

 

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On the NGC website, they have graded 10,839 MS 62 1884-O Morgans. Their price guide says $ 51.60.

 

I don't understand why the certification number is so important to you. FWIW, every single fake tpg slab I've seen has a legitimate certification number on the label. Furthermore, having a certification number doesn't assure you of anything, because it takes all of a minute or two to get one.

When you clicked commit to buy, you committed to buy the coin. Pay for it, and when you receive it, if there's any problems with the coin/slab, just return it.

If it makes you feel any better, here's a certification number: 1508898-004

 

Well said if they can fake a slab they can easily fake a cert #. Besides it is $54 i know money can be tight but take this as lesson and move on.

 

This is information you should have gotten prior to bidding on the coin. You choose not to do so and that is not the sellers fault. If you do not complete this purchase...you are in the wrong, period and end of discussion. Once you receive the coin...you can look up the number. If the coin is not what it was sold to be (such as the serial numbers not matching...then return it).

Plus, the Chinese counterfeiters are getting pretty good and they can look up slabs on NGC's database too. Their serial numbers match the database.

 

:thumb: lol

 

Oh Pul-leeze!

So you're gonna not pay for an item because you don't see a cert number and you think the seller will slip an AU58 or some other lower grade coin to ya?

I counted 4 chances for you to actually LOOK at what you were bidding on.

You have 1 feedback and if you do not pay for your item, you'll be at 50/50 with a non-paying bidder strike which just might get you booted from eBay regardless of your complaints or reasons.

What you need to do is pay for what you bought and respond to the seller AFTER you've received your item.

No ifs ands or buts. Hold up your end of the implied contract. Follow through and do not expect other forum members to support you with this silly reasoning.

 

Relax! Take a deep breath! Pay now! and learn from it!

you seem to get some serious buyers remorse. :dead-horse:

 

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I would feel comfortable with it. He has a feed back of over 3800. If he were a problem seller he would have some negative posts. He has 4 neutrals and two were from the same buyer complaining about not getting a multi coin discount on shipping. I really think your safe on this one.

 

This is why alot of sellers block new bidders.

Detecto, Just curious how old are you?

 

I don't think it's a problem with the buyer feeling 'comfortable' with the seller. I think it's a problem that the buyer seems to think it's ok to bid on any item at pretty much the last minute [in this case, on a device (phone) where he doesn't have access to pictures, and has to surmise what pictures might be there], probably doesn't think to get on to an auction when there's plenty of time to actually read all the terms and conditions, look at the pictures, find out the information he wants, ask questions, etc., and bids. Then waits to see if he wins before going to his "home" computer to look at the item (the pictures) and then decides that since he can't see the cert number on the slab, that he's going to give the seller terms and conditions of his own in order for the seller to get payment.

As I said before, this is ridiculous. No where in eBay does it say that the buyer has the right to create terms and conditions for the seller to meet after the auction has ended. The guy needs to man up and pay. Only after he receives the coin and examines it can he return it if it does not meet the description of the auction or if it doesn't match up with the pictures of the coin on eBay. He also needs to start doing due diligence on any auctions he wants to bid on before he bids and wins. After just doesn't cut it.

 

You have five days to pay. The auction just ended today. Give the seller a little more time to respond.

But even if he doesn't respond with the number, you're still obligated to pay.

Relax, you're covered by the seller's return policy (a highly rated seller) as well as ebay's Buyer protection.

 

Well the auction does show the coin in a holder and the item description says its MS62. Plus there is a return policy and good sellers feedback I think its fine. And regardless you should pay the auction since you bid it.

 

I agree, if it's not the coin in the pic then you can contact the seller and return it. Ebay can be very addicting and I have learned many lessons on that website. Looks like you're learning as well. Slow down Detecto, just take your time and check all the information a couple of times before you bid. That way your feedback will stay in top form and everybody's happy.

 

If you have really low feedback and get unpaid item strikes or a power seller or someone contacts ebay about an issue with you they may close your account. Also there are forums where sellers share ebay usernames that they consider bad buyers and getting on that listing somewhere will result in you being blocked by a good number of sellers. Always be certain before bidding on anything it's a contract that's binding a seller could technically take you to small claims court over backing out if they wanted too.

 

I just wasted 35 minutes of my life tracking this person's ebay user name down so I could place them on my blocked bidders list. Probably not completely wasted time, at least I will never have to deal with them on ebay in the future.

 

I'm Missing The Problem!

I'll preface my question with a comment about eBay postings with serial numbers, as I also will not post a certified coin on eBay with the number. Many years ago an African National wrote a book "How To Make A Million Dollars On The Internet" highlighting the many ways that money can easily be stolen from individuals on the internet. He blatantly copied an image from an auction, and sold 2 additional coins using that complete image. It was an image of a TPG certified 1909 rare MS65 $20 Gold Eagle. I won the auction, as did another individual the following week. The seller walked away with almost $4000. EBay CANCELLED the auction after the seller had received his funds, removed all public evidence (a common eBay tactic when notified of fraud), removing all public evidence of any auction transaction, stating that auction information could only be disclosed to legal officials, and denied culpability. We, the victims, received nothing other than the knowledge that eBay truly meant CAVEAT EMPTOR, which at that time was it's prominently posted credo.

If I'm to understand correctly, you purchased an auction which had a picture of a complete slab that only had the serial number missing. The coin should have been completely identified on the slab, including the grade.

You most certainly checked the buyers feedback, obviously read the information supplied, viewed the images, and agreed, or you surely wouldn't placed a bid.

Regardless, I believe you'll find that you entered into a legal contract to purchase the commodity being sold based on information supplied in the auction.

EBay/PayPal now have buyer protection for individuals that are uncertain after winning an auction, and may want to return an item.

What is the problem?

If you have withdrawal emotions, you can contact the seller, requesting his consideration to enjoin in mutual cancellation of the auction contract. If you contacted me with your concern, I would believe further communication futile, and have eBay send you the request for signature of agreement to mutually cancel.

Good Luck!

 

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You may well run into problems. Here is the eBay rule;

I believe they are in the process of changing it for moderns, but it is still enforced for all others.