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<p>[QUOTE=&quot;bahabully, post: 1092526, member: 17555&quot;]I pretty certain that shill bidding occurs all the time on the &#039;bay... but as has been mentioned, it&#039;s nearly impossible to prove. The bidding method you describe is much like my bidding style,,, I&#039;ll often place a bid on an item when I see it and if i wish to follow it,,, so the first bid is just for tracking...... then at the close of the auction, providing it hasn&#039;t gone over where I wanted it, I&#039;ll place my final bid or two.... </p><p>I&#039;ve also seen creep bidding that looks suspect, where a bidder will increment one dollar at a time,,,,, this does a couple of good things for the seller... 1 - it pushes up thier bid count and makes it look like a lot of activity, which draws attention and in general is good.... and 2 - it pushes up or shills the bid without over running the top bid by too much should they accidently over shill...... (both of these assume shill bidding).</p><p>Party Poker (before they left the US) use to run logic in the background to check player to player activity in order to ensure that &quot;teams&quot; didn&#039;t load up a table and soak one or two individual players...... I&#039;ve heard it worked nicely. Ebay could probably come up with some background logic to scrub for &quot;teams&quot; on the &#039;bay........ Problem is that any logical routine, no matter how unlikely the consumer risk (ie-risk of non&#039;teams are tagged as &quot;teams&quot;), will falsely net some and hurt business,,,, and although cheating on the &#039;bay is bad, it&#039;s not as bad as cheating in poker ; )</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Bid often, and bid &quot;LOW&quot;.... and you get a few. and it you &quot;must have it,,,, then wait for the last second to input your bid so that there is very little time for the teamed sellers to creep shill thier auction.</p><p>&nbsp;</p><p>Oh,, and if someone ever retracts a bid and leaves you the high bidder,, then follow suit and retract your bid,,, or if too late, then simply refuse to pay...&nbsp; I&#039;ve done both with no problems on multiple sites.&nbsp;&nbsp; Bid retractions are a definite sign of shill bidding,, and if you say there is a seller.bidder combo as you describe above,,, then yeah.. that should be shut down by the &#039;bay as it is blatent.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>

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