eBay return #4. Trying to steal or just ignorant?

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What Would kaosleeroy108 Do?

 

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Wow, nice coin, it's the #1 coin listed in Coin Facts.

 

I don't believe that you can change a Neg to a Neutral and given the latest communiques posted from the dealer, I still think that the neg was unwarranted. Heck I think a Neutral would have been unwarranted.

He admitted that he made a mistake. Continuing to debate/ask about whether or not it was intentional or he is just a stupid dealer is a pointless exercise since you DO NOT know this man and you CANNOT tell what he is thinking.

I'm of the opinion that you are the one being negative here. You should (have) just returned the coin with signature confirmation and gotten your refund.
But nooooo, you choose to create a post about your bad experience on Coin Talk instead.

 

Whether YOU are right or wrong is not the issue. The issue is that YOU turned this into something ugly for the dealer because you were mad the HE didn't listen to you or so you thought he didn't listen to you.

I really like to avoid the "Neg First, Ask questions later" type of buyers.

 

You are right I don't know what he is thinking. But I do know what he wrote. To me it just really seems like he has said a lot of things that don't fit together well.

This is strictly my own opinion. I don't see how a dealer with 47 years of experience who knows how to submit coins and uses coinfacts enough to know how to look up coins makes the mistake of thinking that every trueview pic that is the best is a picture of his coin.

If this appeared to me to be a simple mistake as I have said multiple times there would not be this thread. My experience is I felt like he was hoping I didn't understand what was going on. From my point of view it felt like this was a difficult mistake to make.

As to making this ugly, dude people post eBay experiences like this all the time. I know you actually do know him. So maybe you should tell him next time to approach this differently.

Look at it like this. You are the only person here saying anything positive about him. Help him understand that from a business prospective many posters here think his actions were poor at best and highly suspect. Maybe you can show him he needs to change how he does business because this example makes people here on cointalk think poorly of him. Please note I did not rephrase his words there were posted unchanged. Everyone had the chance to see them for themselves. This is not just how I saw this it is how the others here saw it as well.

I learned to be more positive when buying on eBay. Maybe you can show him how important it is to appear honest as many posters think from his own words he was not.

As for neg first ask questions later this was my first neg out of over 400 transactions. I love how some here use this one and only example as my every experience. Again teach him that a guy who was sold a counterfeit coin and didn't neg the guy because he appeared very straight forward (the other one I bought not the first guy) did neg him because he appeared dishonest. Maybe I'll change it but the issue is not making a mistake but appearing to act with ill intent.

 

I did change to positive. But I feel like it was a gift. My experience was negative. His mistake was sending a coin I told him not to send because it was not the coin he advertised. He sent it anyway. Tell your friend to try to appear more honest next time. I certainly won't buy anything from him again.

 

Wow, so that's what 47 years of experience, wrapped up in a senior moment, wrapped up in an enigma, looks like. Interesting read, thank you.

 

I know you like the other formats but this was my only problem purchase of a slabbed coin. I don't like the format of the others sites as much as I do eBay.

 

I still can't get over how few coins the guy has sold on ebay. Maybe more than one account? I think he was at 92% feedback rating with the neg. Can one neg do that?
I don't want to judge the guy but there may be more about him, we don't know.

I joined ebay when it first started and have bought and sold over a thousand coins. In those days both sides could give a neg. In my opinion it should still be that way.
Never had a deal that went so far out of control.

 

I don't think any other approach would have had a resonating effect on the actions of this dealer. This way, he actually got the point. He was in way over his head with what he was doing, and that's with 47 years of experience. Hate to see what obliviousness 50 years of experience brings to the table. It's a scary thought...

You are one dishonest ebay rater. Don't they have a policy against that?

 

I agree with toughcoins I don't think he is "coin dealer". I think he buys pm in all forms and whatever coins that cross his path. The whole concept of being confused about the coin is only plausible if he is not really a dealer.

Either way when you start looking at the details which was the whole point of the thread it tells a story.

 

I actually thought the issue was simple mistake vs intentional action. I was and am still mad he didn't listen to me. I'm mad he violated eBay policy. I'm mad he kept telling me how the coin was the one from the picture. I'm mad I have to go to the post office and return the coin. I'm mad because it is my opinion this was not a good faith exchange.

He is appearing to me to be selling coins not as pictured with no warnings with no returns. Please defend that.

 

Yet, he takes the time to hide behind the "Been in this business 47 years." statement. Unfortunate, while clearly demonstrating the competence level behind that statement.

 

What was the cert number of the coin he sent?
What did the coin he sent look like? Post a picture please.

After all, there's not really a point in passing judgment on an eBay seller without having all the facts.

As for your assertion that I actually KNOW this person, you're speaking out of your butt since I have never dealt with kingcoin either on or off of eBay and have absolutely no idea who this person might be.

 

OMG! Do you still not believe that the coin he received is clearly pictured in his first post. To help you find it, it is the second and third picture there showing both the front and back of the slab.

 

Let me summarize. Your friend told you I was mean and you attacked me without even reading the posts. Awesome.

In act two can you tell people that I said things never posted and then argue about how wrong my never stated opinion is? That is my second favorite cointalk behavior right behind critiquing posts that people don't read and state they didn't read.


As an aside the cert number is hard to read in my first post so here you go.

And here is the cert page with no trueview pic.

 

Your right. Its right there.

 

Well gee whiz! Thank you!

 

Huh? What the heckll are you talking about?

I have no idea who kingcoin is and have never had any dealings nor conversations with kingcoin either on ebay, CT, or via telephone.

 

I was too focused on the messages. My bad.