eBay return #4. Trying to steal or just ignorant?

To be honest Vegas, I don't read half of what you write any longer. I'm not saying that to pick on you but there is just way to much. No need to write a book in every thread. I would stop talking with the seller and work out the return thru ebay.

 

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Question: Did you return the coin and receive a refund?

 

Heck, just open a case saying the item received was not the item in the auction. Either he refunds the money after you send it back or he ignores you. If he ignores you the case will close, ebay will refund and you keep the coin. That's justice!

 

Just received the coin yesterday. I'm not talking to the seller and am using ebay's system for a refund. I'm not worried about the money, I'm just annoyed that he sent the coin after I told him not to if it was not the exact coin. And after telling him not to send a coin with a stock photo I just don't think I should have to pay postage. Had he offered to pay return postage I would not have posted this and quietly have written it off as buying from someone who does not understand what a stock photo is despite being a "reputable dealer".

 

I believe the seller knows what they are doing and are trying to pull a fast one. Maybe that's being too cynical but I just have a hard time believing someone would use an MS66 photo for an MS64 listing. They also replied with the coin will be the same after making it clear you wanted the actual one photographed.

You did good Vegas in informing us here and reporting the seller's violations to eBay. Only thing I would have done differently is threatening with negative feedback. That is against eBay policy.

 

I totally understand. In other threads you didn't have the time to read my posts but you did have time to respond with insults. When I challenged you to back up your statements you didn't have time to go back and cite where I said what you claimed I said yet did have time to insult me a second time. So I have low expectations from you.

 

get a grip. i looked at his listing and the coin you rec'd. obviously not the same coin and he violated ebay by posting pic different from the one he was selling. just snad it and you should get all your $$$ back. his detriment. but next time you see such a pretty pic with practically no description and no full slab photos then investigate before you buy. you are too hung up about you giving him his chance to back out before he sent coin. and personally i think he knows he is being dishonest and doesn't care.

 

Well, to me (based upon what I have read) you sound like a problem buyer that appears to be unable and unwilling to work with a seller. Regardless of what his intentions may or may not have been, a request to return the coin with reimbursement of the return postage SHOULD have occurred.

And while I'm at it, I would expect pictures of the coin that you DID receive.

IMO, at the most, a negative feedback was unwarranted since it was you which decided to stop communication with the seller and, instead, are going through eBay to "force" the refund thereby making your transaction experience that much more unpleasant. (Hopefully, you intend on sending the coin back which you have not mentioned so, postage is going to be paid, by you, anyway.

In a nut shell, it is you that have made this an ugly thing. Not the seller. Unless of course, you've conveniently left out certain specifics regarding your communication with him.

From my personal experience, in literally EVERY case where I found out that a seller was using a stock photo, despite what the ebay rules state, the sellers have compensated me for return shipping with no questions asked. They've refunded my buy price, my initial shipping prices and my return postage costs. In turn, since I didn't lose anything, I left positive feedback which could very well have been the result in your specific situation. Instead, you chose to "school" the seller by taking a negative aspect and then giving him a negative anyway.

Hopefully, he'll report your extortion email to eBay and get the negative removed.

Now, if you wouldn't mind so terribly, I'd kinda like to know your eBay id so that I can take the appropriate action to protect myself should you ever decide to buy from me.

 

I disagree as that would not be justice.

 

Just curious, but did you bother to read what he posted?
BTW, I also hope "he'll report your extortion email to eBay" and eBay will remove the seller.

 

Of course I read it.

It boils down to:

Buyer jumps in with a BUY IT NOW of $285 for what he assumed was a toned monster 1931-S Lincoln. Heck, I'd of done it since the BIN price wasn't too far out of line with what an MS64RB 31-S is listed at.

"After" the sale and payment, the buyer decides that he'd better do a little research so he starts looking at the seller other auctions and notices some discrepancies.

So he emails the seller asking if he is going to receive the coin which was pictured in the listing.

The dealer says its a PCGS Photo and its a beautiful coin.

Then the neg talk starts along with more research at which point, the buyer sees that the picture in the listing is from CoinFacts and is actually an MS66!

Now the buyer starts getting a little pissed and decides to start playing with the seller.

Before the coin ever arrived, the buyer had already decided that his integrity as a buyer was impugned and the seller was gonna get a neg regardless of what occurred. Everything in between was meaningless.

I mean, the NERVE of a seller in not knowing what he's doing for such a knowledgeable buyer!

I see absolutely nothing wrong here other than the fact that Vic didn't do his due diligence before buying the coin. What he incovered AFTER the sale could have just as easily been uncovered BEFORE the sale yet, the seller gets the neg without even being allowed the opportunity of paying for the return shipping!

BTW, a REALLY good seller, which I've run into every now and again, will mail out a prepaid envelope with the appropriate addressing and postage so that a dissatisfied buyer can return the coin.

 

The reason I asked was;

See post #1

He did not "break of communications" until after the seller had broken the law twice and lied to him innumerable time. (BTW, you have a contract with eBay and not following their rules is a violation of the law.) Oh, and he never "broke of communications" until AFTER he received the wrong coin. IMO, if you do not go through eBay for such casse, you are promoting activities such as this seller.

Let's see not. Vic appears most congenial throughout despite dealing with a liar trying to cheat the public, but somehow you think he did something wrong??? You forget that none of this would have happened had the seller had show both side of the slab he was selling, had he not substituted pictures of a better coins than he was selling, had not lied about the coin he was sending, etc. My guess is that in more than one place in the USA, he could be jailed for what he did.

 

You two related or what?

The communications is supposed to BEGIN after the coin is received. Not end. And Vic most certainly "broke OFF" communications.

Oh yeah, eBay has "RULES", not "LAWS". Failure to follow the "RULES" can get your account terminated with all your listings cancelled but thats about it.

Stock Photo's are used with some frequency on eBay. But policing that "policy" (i.e. rule) usually only occurs on a 1 for 1 basis where a dispute occurs. Disputes involving eBay customer service should only be filed once all avenues of satisfaction have been explored. That did not happen here.

What happened here "could" be deemed as a bad ebay buyer since the opportunity to make the situation right was never addressed.

I think that this is not a perfect world and eBay is certainly filled with a lot of controversial sellers BUT 90% of those sellers will at least attempt to make it right if given the opportunity.

 

Sorry, but you "signed" a contract when you joined eBay. It is legal, valid and binding despite eBay's lack of enforcement. And, yes, there are contract laws.

No, we are not related. I just happened to believe that liars and cheats have no place on eBay or anywhere for that matter. On the other hand, you seem to be promoting such activity.

 

The hold gets dug deeper. More email conversation later tonight and a chance for everyone to vote on feedback revision.

 

Really, it's up to you to deal with this. We don't need to 'vote' to tell you what to do. You have your input and it's kind of annoying (at least to me) that you are seemingly so needy to continue this conversation on here. IMHO, this is nuts to continue this unless you are simply out to castigate the guy online in this community. SNAD is there for you should you choose to avail yourself for it. I suggest you return the coin to him so you can be refunded for your money spent. It should be him paying for the return and it should not cost him a lot to have it back... basically, what, a priority box for about 5.00 or so, with tracking.

 

The seller definitely lied twice , but Vic threatened him with a neg . Basically this is a lesson on how not to do business on ebay . I'd just return it and move on . Another reason to know what you're buying and who you're buying from especially on a toned killer coin , or a 61 that looks like a 66 .

 

This is what happens when a problem seller and problem buyer meet.

 

SoCal Big Mark on the PCGS board lives near that area, and works with most of the dealers around there. PM him, he probably knows the guy.