eBay pictures Vs NGC pictures....

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Scanners have trouble picking up the color because the light needs to hit the surface of the coin at an angle. I never disputed that. What I said is that it isn't 1% as you claim. The only coins that exhibit the behavior you are talking about are coins with iridescent toning and toned proof coins. Ever look at a toned proof IHC? Your statement would be completely accurate with regards to toned IHC's. But for the run of the mill mint state rainbow toner, the color shows across a wide angle as long as the light is hitting the surface of the coin. Why do people have trouble capturing the color of a coin in photographs? Because they don't understand the basics of numismatic photography. The biggest mistake people make is not getting the light on the surface of the coin. The reason doesn't matter. It makes no difference if they have their camera too close causing a shadow over the coin, or if they don't have enough lights, or if they don't have the coin tilted (sightly) into the light source. If the light doesn't hit the surface of the coin, the true color of the toning wont show. It will appear very much like it does in my little video. What's next Doug, are you going to claim that I am not qualified to talk about numismatic photography as well?

The people of this forum will believe the person who is sincere and honest. Insinuating that one can't gain any measure of numismatic knowledge because they don't attend coin shows is downright dishonest. It is true that I buy my coins sight unseen based on digital photos. Because of that, it forces me to be able to accurately predict what a coin will look like in hand based solely on the photos. The only way to accomplish this is to study the coin in hand and compare it to the seller's photos. I then photograph all of my coins myself and study the differences between my photos, the seller's photos, and the coin in hand. I sometimes spend hours on a single coin, especially if it is an expensive coin (eg my MS65 Lafayette Dollar).

You have admitted many times that you didn't collect toned coins and that it took you many years to appreciate toning. If you didn't actively collect toned coins, how much time to you spend looking at these coins under a light source at coin shows. Perhaps you saw them in the dealers cases with no light on them, when they appear dark. So maybe you have even picked up a few and glanced at them for a few seconds as if you were a PCGS grader. I have dedicated the last decade of my life to the study of toning in my spare time. To even insinuate that I am unqualified to offer an opinion about toning and toned coins is preposterous and nobody on this forum or any other is going to buy your snake oil. What we should really discuss is why you are such a slow learner. Why with all your experience and knowledge am I constantly schooling you?

 

They can see the truth with their own eyes in post #16!

 

I like toned coins.

 

You mean done blowing smoke. I have seen thousands of toned coins in hand. That is not a lack of experience despite that fact that it takes you a million times to learn something new. Am I just lucky that every coin that I buy sight unseen doesn't fall into what you call the "large percentage"? This is just one in a long list of times when you are dead wrong, won't admit it, and simply want to fall back on your age to bail you out. This isn't rocket science dude! If you have seen 50-100 Morgan Dollars, you pretty much have a handle on what a toned Morgan Dollar looks like. It doesn't take a million. And while we are on the subject of being honest, why do you feel the need to use hyperbole and pass it off as honesty? 50 years X 365 = 18250 days! That would mean that you have looked at 55 toned coins per day everyday for the last 50 years just to get to one million. Doing something for 50 years is meaningless if you have done it wrong for the entire 50 years. Telling people that you can only see toning at 1% of the angles is doing it wrong. Epic Fail!

 

personally, and i am NEW to collecting coins, but toned coins have fascinated me from the start, i think it is more an issue of the angle of the LIGHT that is hitting the coin, not the angle it(the coin) is viewed from. hence, it(toning on lehighs's morgan) is gone when he removes it from the direct light. at least with the toned coins i have come across. i have noticed that toning on modern clad coins has a lot more of this "now you see it, now you dont" going on than silver coins. again, i my experience.

 

The NGC/PCGS certification shots are really just quick standard snaps and not intended to be quality images of the coin. The color balances are often far off, sometimes the shots are out of focus, etc. It's just for a quick verification.