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<p>[QUOTE="Neal, post: 8282258, member: 43872"]I don't mean to offend or start any arguments, but I find <i>all</i> toning to be damage. I know many pay huge premiums for "monster toning," and if that is what you like, go for it. Congress has passed no laws that apply here on what is "collectible." But what difference does it make how the toning got there? If you like it, and it is worth the price to you, then nobody should think the less of you for paying whatever. I find it comical that the TPGs will grade a coin MS 68, when heavily toned with little "eye appeal," if they conclude omnisciently that the toning is "natural," but will reject as damaged an otherwise pretty coin whose toning hints to them it might be artificial. But all toning is artificial, whether it was put there by the sulfur in the paper of a coin storage envelope over a period of fifty years or by an "artist" making something to sell to people who are happy to buy it. It is all artificial because it is not the natural product as it came from the mint. Toning changes the surface forever. Sometimes you can remove oils and dirt adhered to a coin and reveal the original luster. No one can remove tarnish, excuse me, toning, and restore the original surface. Yes, dips can help if the toning is light, but the surface has still been altered, if only slightly. The PCGS price guide drops a 1914-D cent from $16,000 in MS65RD to $6,750 MS65BN. That brown is just "natural" toning.</p><p><br /></p><p>In the cases of these coins on sale, the only sad thing is that his customers could save money by buying some red cents and a small bottle of sulfur. DIY time.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Neal, post: 8282258, member: 43872"]I don't mean to offend or start any arguments, but I find [I]all[/I] toning to be damage. I know many pay huge premiums for "monster toning," and if that is what you like, go for it. Congress has passed no laws that apply here on what is "collectible." But what difference does it make how the toning got there? If you like it, and it is worth the price to you, then nobody should think the less of you for paying whatever. I find it comical that the TPGs will grade a coin MS 68, when heavily toned with little "eye appeal," if they conclude omnisciently that the toning is "natural," but will reject as damaged an otherwise pretty coin whose toning hints to them it might be artificial. But all toning is artificial, whether it was put there by the sulfur in the paper of a coin storage envelope over a period of fifty years or by an "artist" making something to sell to people who are happy to buy it. It is all artificial because it is not the natural product as it came from the mint. Toning changes the surface forever. Sometimes you can remove oils and dirt adhered to a coin and reveal the original luster. No one can remove tarnish, excuse me, toning, and restore the original surface. Yes, dips can help if the toning is light, but the surface has still been altered, if only slightly. The PCGS price guide drops a 1914-D cent from $16,000 in MS65RD to $6,750 MS65BN. That brown is just "natural" toning. In the cases of these coins on sale, the only sad thing is that his customers could save money by buying some red cents and a small bottle of sulfur. DIY time.[/QUOTE]
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