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<p>[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 3064332, member: 19463"]I have known and admired Barry for years but never more than today when he posted more truth than we get here in many months.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>This should be the headline banner of ancient coin forums. It is a fact. We see it when we try to help and we violate it when we hope our junk is worth the Million. We hear what we want to hear. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>That is pretty much my view as well. Here on Coin Talk several of us begged for some time to get an Ancient section separate from the World Coins area. We got it but since then Ancients has added Medieval and we get quite a few posts from what I'd call 'serious' moderns. That left World to mean non-US bullion and spendables (Euros etc.) I don't mind so much and am not so delusional to believe we would be given even more splits to the non-US areas of CT. Those who post moderns to the Ancient section and receive yawns or ignorance rather than the appreciation they expected need to realize that Ancient does not mean anything no longer having an active place in the market place. NGC plays by different rules for their Ancients and Regular slabs. Pretty much my definition of something I won't collect is something NGC guarantees while something Barry or David will handle might be considered collectible if we stretch a point. </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I most sincerely agree with this statement. However, I could say the same thing about many, many, many coins not 'worth' anything approaching $750 and we all could show examples of things that sold at auction for ten times estimate or reasonable expectation just because two big dogs with big bank balances bumped heads. If we define 'great day' we could go the other way and see $750 take a coin the owner expected to go much higher. That would make it a 'great day' for the buyer. I'm starting to think the best answer when someone asks how much their coin is worth that a reasonable answer would be $750 on a great day. If you have watched sale realizations long enough you know what I am saying. </p><p><br /></p><p>What is a $750 coin? A rough and otherwise undistinguished example of a really popular coin??? The nicest known example of a coin with a few fans but not known to the legions who do not collect ancient coins??? A relatively low end example of a coin popular to ancient specialists that usually sells for much more??? The only known example of something at least two people would not mind owning??? A decent coin that a really wealthy collector wants and has not yet obtained otherwise??? All of the above???????</p><p><br /></p><p>Below I will show seven coins from my collection. None are for sale and that means not even for $750. I may be delusional thinking someone would pay $750 and you may be delusional thinking that you could but one for that figure. Delusions are what makes coin auctions in the Ancient market. We are not talking about moderns that exist by the roll. You can look here and see which of these you would trade for the million dollar owl. My answer is 'None of them!' I am not offering any of these for $1million but reserve the right to consider bona-fide cash offers over that level. <img src="styles/default/xenforo/clear.png" class="mceSmilieSprite mceSmilie80" alt=":shame:" unselectable="on" unselectable="on" /> Maybe I don't want to be helped either. Ignorance is fun sometimes. It is, after all, a hobby. Would another $750 add a day to my life or the enjoyment of that day? Would a million? </p><p><br /></p><p>ID's should be obvious but will be provided on request. </p><p>[ATTACH=full]769028[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]769029[/ATTACH] </p><p>ex NGC VF 5/5 2/5 "graffito"</p><p>[ATTACH=full]769030[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]769031[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]769032[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]769033[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]769034[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="dougsmit, post: 3064332, member: 19463"]I have known and admired Barry for years but never more than today when he posted more truth than we get here in many months. This should be the headline banner of ancient coin forums. It is a fact. We see it when we try to help and we violate it when we hope our junk is worth the Million. We hear what we want to hear. That is pretty much my view as well. Here on Coin Talk several of us begged for some time to get an Ancient section separate from the World Coins area. We got it but since then Ancients has added Medieval and we get quite a few posts from what I'd call 'serious' moderns. That left World to mean non-US bullion and spendables (Euros etc.) I don't mind so much and am not so delusional to believe we would be given even more splits to the non-US areas of CT. Those who post moderns to the Ancient section and receive yawns or ignorance rather than the appreciation they expected need to realize that Ancient does not mean anything no longer having an active place in the market place. NGC plays by different rules for their Ancients and Regular slabs. Pretty much my definition of something I won't collect is something NGC guarantees while something Barry or David will handle might be considered collectible if we stretch a point. I most sincerely agree with this statement. However, I could say the same thing about many, many, many coins not 'worth' anything approaching $750 and we all could show examples of things that sold at auction for ten times estimate or reasonable expectation just because two big dogs with big bank balances bumped heads. If we define 'great day' we could go the other way and see $750 take a coin the owner expected to go much higher. That would make it a 'great day' for the buyer. I'm starting to think the best answer when someone asks how much their coin is worth that a reasonable answer would be $750 on a great day. If you have watched sale realizations long enough you know what I am saying. What is a $750 coin? A rough and otherwise undistinguished example of a really popular coin??? The nicest known example of a coin with a few fans but not known to the legions who do not collect ancient coins??? A relatively low end example of a coin popular to ancient specialists that usually sells for much more??? The only known example of something at least two people would not mind owning??? A decent coin that a really wealthy collector wants and has not yet obtained otherwise??? All of the above??????? Below I will show seven coins from my collection. None are for sale and that means not even for $750. I may be delusional thinking someone would pay $750 and you may be delusional thinking that you could but one for that figure. Delusions are what makes coin auctions in the Ancient market. We are not talking about moderns that exist by the roll. You can look here and see which of these you would trade for the million dollar owl. My answer is 'None of them!' I am not offering any of these for $1million but reserve the right to consider bona-fide cash offers over that level. :shame: Maybe I don't want to be helped either. Ignorance is fun sometimes. It is, after all, a hobby. Would another $750 add a day to my life or the enjoyment of that day? Would a million? ID's should be obvious but will be provided on request. [ATTACH=full]769028[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]769029[/ATTACH] ex NGC VF 5/5 2/5 "graffito" [ATTACH=full]769030[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]769031[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]769032[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]769033[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=full]769034[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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