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<p>[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 974227, member: 66"]They early proofs were NOT always made with special dies. In face on one of the early proof large cents it can be shown by die states that a regular business strike die that had already been used in production was polished, used to strike proofs, used for business strikes again, repolished for more proofs, and then terminated on business strikes. there are other case were dies used for business strikes were polished and used for proofs even though the dies had die cracks. There are proofs struck from overdated dies.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Actually it is NOT a pattern, it is a fantasy. Both coins are "piece de caprice". The 1804 gold eagle was struck in 1834, the silver piece possibly 1834 and maybe even 1858. It isn't a true pattern, just something made to sell to a collector. (but it is pictured and cataloged in Judd.) The proof 1801,02,and 03 dollars are also pieces made in 1834 or later strictly for sale to collectors. Most likely when they made up the dies for the 1804 dollar they made four obv dies so the best one could be picked for the presentation set, or to have spares on hand if the die failed during hardening. After the 1804 dollars were struck they used the leftover dies to create the fantasy proof dollars. This was also the source of the 1834, 1835, and 1836 proof bust halves. These dollars and the halves were all done in the 1830's and all shows crushed edge letters from having been struck on lettered edge planchets in a plain collar. (As do the "original" 1804 dollars.)[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Conder101, post: 974227, member: 66"]They early proofs were NOT always made with special dies. In face on one of the early proof large cents it can be shown by die states that a regular business strike die that had already been used in production was polished, used to strike proofs, used for business strikes again, repolished for more proofs, and then terminated on business strikes. there are other case were dies used for business strikes were polished and used for proofs even though the dies had die cracks. There are proofs struck from overdated dies. Actually it is NOT a pattern, it is a fantasy. Both coins are "piece de caprice". The 1804 gold eagle was struck in 1834, the silver piece possibly 1834 and maybe even 1858. It isn't a true pattern, just something made to sell to a collector. (but it is pictured and cataloged in Judd.) The proof 1801,02,and 03 dollars are also pieces made in 1834 or later strictly for sale to collectors. Most likely when they made up the dies for the 1804 dollar they made four obv dies so the best one could be picked for the presentation set, or to have spares on hand if the die failed during hardening. After the 1804 dollars were struck they used the leftover dies to create the fantasy proof dollars. This was also the source of the 1834, 1835, and 1836 proof bust halves. These dollars and the halves were all done in the 1830's and all shows crushed edge letters from having been struck on lettered edge planchets in a plain collar. (As do the "original" 1804 dollars.)[/QUOTE]
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