Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Xelevatorguy, Aug 19, 2019.
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I don't own a 1921 Peace but I have searched for a well-struck, early die state, high grade example with good surfaces and no problems and have yet to find one. I've seen well-struck examples for sure, so I know they are available.
Have you done an image search?
The factor in the minting process most important to produce a well-struck coin is the striking pressure. Without sufficient striking pressure, the metal won't fill the deepest recesses of the die. This is independent of the state of the die.
Die state is a description of how worn the die is, ie how many coins have been struck with it. For some areas of the coin, die state will make a difference to the details present. This is the case in the lowest areas of the coin, which see the most wear during minting process.
You're asking about details present at the highest relief of the coin. In this case, die state is actually irrelevant, since there is very little wear that happens on the highest relief details of the coin, especially high relief dies which may rarely be used with enough pressure to fully bring up those details.
Even with a shallow relief the design was impractical for making top grade specimens. I have some well struck 1921's and I could care less if they are in early die state or not. I buy the coin and nothing else.
The die state is an important aspect of the coin, right?
For me with Peace Dollars, no. The design is poor and it causes weak strikes. I love the Peace Dollars. I have numerous sets. But it can be very aggravating trying to put together a set of top quality coins. Even a new Die produces weak strikes on this series.
Careful with terminology here. As I explained to the OP, die state and strength of strike are completely independent things.
I have a few BU Peace Dollars (mostly 1922-23 but others as well) and I can certainly tell the difference between an EDS and LDS coin, and the EDS look much better to me.
Man they’re tough. I want a well struck original ms 64-5 with nice surfaced but haven’t seen one I like when I’m looking. I picked this up cheap cause of the strike. Unfortunately the reverse got a wipe
Has anyone documented how many dies were used to strike the ~1M 1921 Peace Dollars?
I have no idea but only one wouldn't surprise me.
Multiple dies were used. Some business strike 21s were even struck using proof dies (check VAM World - http://ec2-13-58-222-16.us-east-2.compute.amazonaws.com/wiki/1921-P_Peace_VAM-1H - or Roger Burdette's Peace Dollar guide book for details). Those struck with the proof dies seem to have among the sharpest central details in my experience (VAM 1H I believe).
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