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<p>[QUOTE="Valentinian, post: 4141729, member: 44316"]I looked into it using just RIC VI and VII and it seems they have reason to attribute one later SOLI issue to 314-5, but no obvious time boundaries for the earlier issues. We need something else, such as the vision, to give a reason to pick a date for its initial appearance. I think their "c." in "c. 309-10" was appropriate because they didn't know when it was.</p><p><br /></p><p>Here is some evidence from RIC VI and VII.</p><p><br /></p><p>The field marks F T are in RIC's first SOLI INVICTO COMITI issue at Lugdunum in RIC VI, page 265. That is the last issue in RIC VI. The next issue is in RIC VII, which has field marks S F for it, and T F for the second next (314-5, dated by an obverse legend with COS IIII). All those SOLI issues are for Constantine alone. So, going by RIC VI and VII, we have an issue "c. 309-10" and the next issue (written by a different author seven years earlier) "313-14". The gap seems unlikely. It just shows they didn't really know the dates.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1071001[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The group RIC VI isolates as the first is only for Constantine and with two obverse legends, </p><p>IMP CONSTANTINVS PF AVG and</p><p>CONSTANTINVS PF AVG . </p><p>Their previous issue had much different field marks and was shared with Galerius as Augustus and DIVO coins for Constantius. The issue before that included Maximinus II as Caesar (He was Caesar until early 309 according to Sear's "The Emperors of Rome and Byzantium" but until May 310 in RIC VI, page 32) and Maxentius as Augustus. Maybe the Lugdunum issue with Constantine alone mean he had broken with Maxentius, Galerius, and Maximinus II. But, even if that is so, it does not give close dates for the beginning of SOLI. Also, because the type at Lugdunum is issued for Constantine alone until 314-5, we can't tell, from Lugdunum, a <i>terminus ante quem</i>. </p><p><br /></p><p>Rome didn't issue SOLI in RIC VI, so Trier is the mint to look at. Its first issue has field marks T F, which are the second field marks at Lugdunum (and in RIC VII) and dated "c. 310-13" in RIC VI for Trier. At Trier the field marks are shared with Maximinus II as Augustus and Licinius. So at Trier the first issue seems at least as late as Maximinus II as Augustus. But we are not sure when that was.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, in only an hour of searching and thinking, I propose that RIC didn't really know when the issues were. I expect that any scholarly articles since they were published use additional information, such as his Apollo/Sol vision, to place the SOLI type in time.</p><p><br /></p><p>If you think the SOLI type followed his vision of 310, I have found nothing to contradict that.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Valentinian, post: 4141729, member: 44316"]I looked into it using just RIC VI and VII and it seems they have reason to attribute one later SOLI issue to 314-5, but no obvious time boundaries for the earlier issues. We need something else, such as the vision, to give a reason to pick a date for its initial appearance. I think their "c." in "c. 309-10" was appropriate because they didn't know when it was. Here is some evidence from RIC VI and VII. The field marks F T are in RIC's first SOLI INVICTO COMITI issue at Lugdunum in RIC VI, page 265. That is the last issue in RIC VI. The next issue is in RIC VII, which has field marks S F for it, and T F for the second next (314-5, dated by an obverse legend with COS IIII). All those SOLI issues are for Constantine alone. So, going by RIC VI and VII, we have an issue "c. 309-10" and the next issue (written by a different author seven years earlier) "313-14". The gap seems unlikely. It just shows they didn't really know the dates. [ATTACH=full]1071001[/ATTACH] The group RIC VI isolates as the first is only for Constantine and with two obverse legends, IMP CONSTANTINVS PF AVG and CONSTANTINVS PF AVG . Their previous issue had much different field marks and was shared with Galerius as Augustus and DIVO coins for Constantius. The issue before that included Maximinus II as Caesar (He was Caesar until early 309 according to Sear's "The Emperors of Rome and Byzantium" but until May 310 in RIC VI, page 32) and Maxentius as Augustus. Maybe the Lugdunum issue with Constantine alone mean he had broken with Maxentius, Galerius, and Maximinus II. But, even if that is so, it does not give close dates for the beginning of SOLI. Also, because the type at Lugdunum is issued for Constantine alone until 314-5, we can't tell, from Lugdunum, a [I]terminus ante quem[/I]. Rome didn't issue SOLI in RIC VI, so Trier is the mint to look at. Its first issue has field marks T F, which are the second field marks at Lugdunum (and in RIC VII) and dated "c. 310-13" in RIC VI for Trier. At Trier the field marks are shared with Maximinus II as Augustus and Licinius. So at Trier the first issue seems at least as late as Maximinus II as Augustus. But we are not sure when that was. So, in only an hour of searching and thinking, I propose that RIC didn't really know when the issues were. I expect that any scholarly articles since they were published use additional information, such as his Apollo/Sol vision, to place the SOLI type in time. If you think the SOLI type followed his vision of 310, I have found nothing to contradict that.[/QUOTE]
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