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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 279581, member: 112"]I shall respectfully agree to disagree. They have no responsibility, legal or otherwise. They tell you right up front that they accept no responsibility and members have to agree to that when they sign up. </p><p><br /></p><p>Based on your reasoning, any proprty owner that allows flea markets or swap meets to be held on his property is responsible if one of the vendors cheats a buyer there or sells them fake merchandise. The TV stations that allow the coin shows are responsible for the sellers selling coins at outrageously inflated prices. And the TV stations are also responsible for anyone who buys the so called "miracle products" that we all see advertised every day & night. We all know none of this works as advertised - yet it is allowed. And what about the newspaper publishers with the ads for the so called and rare "ballistic rolls" of President dollars. Or the state quarter vendors selling and their ads. No, according to every court in the land none of these people are responsible and nothing illegal is being done. And every bit of it is based upon the fact that if people are stupid enough to buy it then they deserve what they get.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Then be astounded. Of course you should also be astounded that I have spent years of my life, thousands and thousands of hours writing on coin forums doing my utmost to educate, teach and warn the newbies and the naive about the hazards of coin collecting and the unscrupulous people out there trying their very best to take advantage of them. I'm not throwing anyone to the wolves, I'm right here, and on most other coin forums, same as always still doing my thing trying to prevent all the terrible things that can happen. Preaching, yelling, screaming - don't buy coins - buy books ! Then buy coins.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>When I write here I do so as a member just like you or anybody else - 99% of the time. 1% of the time I write as a moderator. I'm no different than you. And if my opinion carries any weight at all, it does so because of my record, my past performance, and what I do to try and help others. That is after all my primary purpose for being here.</p><p><br /></p><p>And the newbies don't need to know everything, but they do need to know the basics. It is after all foolish to begin any undertaking or hobby without having a clue as to what you are doing. Especially if you are spending your hard earned money to do so. People who take up flyfishing don't start out buying $1,000 flyrods, even though they are readily available. They get someone to teach them first and they work their way up.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Yes times have changed, and so have people. People used to accept responsibility for their own actions. People used to know that if they made stupid mistakes then they were to blame for doing so. But in today's world people are never willing to do this - it always has to be somebody else's fault. Somebody should have protected them. Well I'm sorry, I don't agree with that. People need to protect themselves, to have sense enough to know that there are people who will take advanatge of them and take their money if they allow them to do so. </p><p><br /></p><p>Would you or anyone else who buys on ebay buy a gold Rolex from a guy in the parking lot of a grocery store or a K-Mart selling them out of the trunk of his car ? Of course not - we all know better. And we all know that if we did such a thing then it's our own damn fault. It's not the fault of the store owner. It's the same thing with ebay for that's all ebay is - they are the store owner, the guy who owns the fair park that holds the flea markets, the TV station and the newspaper. It's not their fault - it's ours.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 279581, member: 112"]I shall respectfully agree to disagree. They have no responsibility, legal or otherwise. They tell you right up front that they accept no responsibility and members have to agree to that when they sign up. Based on your reasoning, any proprty owner that allows flea markets or swap meets to be held on his property is responsible if one of the vendors cheats a buyer there or sells them fake merchandise. The TV stations that allow the coin shows are responsible for the sellers selling coins at outrageously inflated prices. And the TV stations are also responsible for anyone who buys the so called "miracle products" that we all see advertised every day & night. We all know none of this works as advertised - yet it is allowed. And what about the newspaper publishers with the ads for the so called and rare "ballistic rolls" of President dollars. Or the state quarter vendors selling and their ads. No, according to every court in the land none of these people are responsible and nothing illegal is being done. And every bit of it is based upon the fact that if people are stupid enough to buy it then they deserve what they get. Then be astounded. Of course you should also be astounded that I have spent years of my life, thousands and thousands of hours writing on coin forums doing my utmost to educate, teach and warn the newbies and the naive about the hazards of coin collecting and the unscrupulous people out there trying their very best to take advantage of them. I'm not throwing anyone to the wolves, I'm right here, and on most other coin forums, same as always still doing my thing trying to prevent all the terrible things that can happen. Preaching, yelling, screaming - don't buy coins - buy books ! Then buy coins. When I write here I do so as a member just like you or anybody else - 99% of the time. 1% of the time I write as a moderator. I'm no different than you. And if my opinion carries any weight at all, it does so because of my record, my past performance, and what I do to try and help others. That is after all my primary purpose for being here. And the newbies don't need to know everything, but they do need to know the basics. It is after all foolish to begin any undertaking or hobby without having a clue as to what you are doing. Especially if you are spending your hard earned money to do so. People who take up flyfishing don't start out buying $1,000 flyrods, even though they are readily available. They get someone to teach them first and they work their way up. Yes times have changed, and so have people. People used to accept responsibility for their own actions. People used to know that if they made stupid mistakes then they were to blame for doing so. But in today's world people are never willing to do this - it always has to be somebody else's fault. Somebody should have protected them. Well I'm sorry, I don't agree with that. People need to protect themselves, to have sense enough to know that there are people who will take advanatge of them and take their money if they allow them to do so. Would you or anyone else who buys on ebay buy a gold Rolex from a guy in the parking lot of a grocery store or a K-Mart selling them out of the trunk of his car ? Of course not - we all know better. And we all know that if we did such a thing then it's our own damn fault. It's not the fault of the store owner. It's the same thing with ebay for that's all ebay is - they are the store owner, the guy who owns the fair park that holds the flea markets, the TV station and the newspaper. It's not their fault - it's ours.[/QUOTE]
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