Duplicate countermark

Discussion in 'Ancient Coins' started by eparch, Mar 10, 2020.

  1. eparch

    eparch Well-Known Member

    I picked up this coin from the Stancomb Collection.
    Can anyone tell me why it has been countermarked twice with
    the same device ?

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    Moesia, Kallatis Æ20. Circa 3rd-2nd centuries BC.

    Veiled head of Demeter to right; c/m: head of Hermes right wearing petasos

    [ΔI within Ivy wreath; ΚΑΛΛΑ above].

    SNG Stancomb 92 (this coin); for type cf. AMNG I, 225 and HGC 3.2, 1931.

    5.17g, 20mm.
     
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  3. gsimonel

    gsimonel Well-Known Member

    Anything worth doing is worth doing to excess.
     
  4. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Well-Known Member

    I don't know why it would be countermarked twice, but that is a fascinating coin!
     
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  5. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    Cool coin! I'm not sure quality control was always very high when it came to countermarking, which often seems to have been done in a hurry.

    Just wondering about your attribution. Does that obverse bust looks like a burly Hercules type rather than Demeter?

    These can be very difficult to attribute - at least for me. That Hermes in petasos countermark looks very much like one I posted a while back looking for info - I had not encountered Kallatis, but I plan on looking into this. Scythia was the closest thing I could come up with.

    Here's mine - Hermes with a star as well:

    CM - Scythian maybe Jan 2020 (0a).jpg

    CM - Scythian maybe Jan 2020 (0det).jpg

    Kingdom of Scythia Æ 19
    Ailios (c. 180-150 B.C.)

    Jugate heads of the Dioskuri r. / [BAΣIΛEΩΣ AIΛIOΣ], jugate foreparts of two horses right. [TK monogram below].
    Draganov 40 (?).
    Countermarks: Hermes head in petasos and 8-rayed star, both in 5 mm circles.
    (4.40 grams / 19 mm)


    Attribution Notes:

    Attribution is a guess; countermark of Hermes is found on Ailios issues. What little of the host is visible seems a possibility.

    Tomis, Moesia, or Olbia are other possibilities. (Posted on CT Feb. 2020, but nobody responded.)
     
  6. kevin McGonigal

    kevin McGonigal Well-Known Member

    Looks like workers were being paid "al marco".
     
  7. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE

    I believe the Banker was a stutterer...
     
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  8. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member

    The existence of the coin with one of those marks and one star makes me wonder if the person doing the marking got confused as to which mark had already been applied and repeated it. Obviously I know nothing but these little mysteries are part of the hobby. When we don't necessarily know what one mark means we are not likely to have a grasp on two.
     
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  9. eparch

    eparch Well-Known Member

    This is Stancomb's attribution, based I think on another example of the same coin on which " ΔI within Ivy wreath; ΚΑΛΛΑ above " was visible,
    unlike mine.
     
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  10. Marsyas Mike

    Marsyas Mike Well-Known Member

    I did a "Kallatis AE" Google image search and came up with this Vcoins listing with an obverse bust of Hercules - the profile looks a bit more like your coin? Believe me when I say I'm no expert!

    https://www.vcoins.com/en/stores/sh...3rd2nd_centuries_bc__18mm/477269/Default.aspx
     
  11. eparch

    eparch Well-Known Member

    @Marsyas Mike - thanks for your help. I agree that Hercules is a possibility, but one cannot be certain.
     
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