Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by johnny54321, May 18, 2010.
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As for the grade, I'd net the coin down to 35 or 30 for the spots. Otherwise it appears to be a solid 40 or 45 coin.
ps Add 5-10 points for TPG and Retail grading respectively.
OK! Now that I've critiqued yours, you can critique mine, though it's not in the same class.
After treating with Blue Ribbon. (yes I still have some 25 year old vintage)
My Draped Bust cent is a 1798, Second Hair variety.
Would that uniquely identify the die variety or is there more to it?
(Not surprisingly I suspect there is more.)
If so I'll post images in the hopes that one of the gurus here can nail it down.
As to the op - nice coin. The spots don't distract me, but I could see if you put it near the rest of your copper it could be distracting. Still a wonderful coin and I figure around XF45 in a anac's holder.
Watch out. They're large [300+KB]
I am almost certain your 1798 is a Sheldon 184. Low rarity 2.
Described as having small chips at "RT", and at "7". And a die scratch from "CA" to ribbon.
The die scratch is quite visble on your specimen. And I think the chip at the serif of "7" is quite visible also (from the picture).
A very nice coin, in high grade and with nice surfaces.
Thanks for your work.
I'll add that info to my formal image.
I've GOT to polish the reverse of the slab.
WAY too many scratches which detract from the coin.
I hope you're kidding. It's beautiful as it is. Improving it almost always makes it worse.
Hold it. You said SLAB. OK, my heart can start up again.
ps the die clash with the head of Liberty shows strongly at the fraction and is not post mint damage. It does make it a later die state of the S-184. It is the last of three pairings for the Reverse Die and First of two pairings for the Obverse Die.
That is a beautiful coin pictured there! Obviously a lot nicer than mine, but much more expensive too. Mine is in an ANACS XF-40 slab, and sold to me for $665.00. It definitely isn't perfect, but I do like the surface quality overall(free of corrosion).
I love your coins that you post for your type sets, but this has to be one of my least favorites. Kinda disappointed that you bought it, I would've gotten a nicer looking one, but hey it is still a nice coin.
1. Mine - No evidence of extra dentils. No CUD
2. Yours - Extra dentils, but light or no bust incusion. No CUD
3. Holmes - Extra dentils and bust incusion. No CUD.
But then again, I didn't see the bust incusion on my late die state with the CUD over ATE of STATES though the dentils are there but light. Perhaps they reworked the die at some point.
Please forgive me, but this is the really fun part of collecting early copper.
Yep, it's me! Good to see ya T! You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but cost plays a big factor here. Marshal posted a link to a high end XF-40 which is definitely nicer than mine. It also cost well over twice, almost three times as much money($1,600 compared to $665)! My goal for the type set is XF+ here, and I won't compromise the grade. I also won't compromise for a corroded pieces. So I'm working within what I'm willing to spend, and get the best bang for my buck. Though this coin isn't "excellent", I do think that it is "respectable", and will serve my 7070 needs quite nicely, even with the carbon spots.
The great thing about it is that your coin is equal in detail with just those minor blemishes and is affordable. I'd love to have more relief and less corrosion on mine. But then again, I paid less than half what you did, so our collections tend to resemble our ability and willingness to spend.
I think Marshal's coin is probably also a State II I do think see a trace of the misplaced denticals but no inclusion of the bust (which would push it to state III) It does have the small cud under the 18 which keeps it out of State I.
The Holmes coin is a State IV and so is the icollector coin in the link that was posted.
The cud over ATE does not show up until state VI.
Holmes's second coin, with the cud, is a state VII and the inclusion of the bust and the denticals are still clear.
If you coin with the cud doesn't show the inclusion it may be due to the condition of the coin. The same reason the one you have posted in the thread barely shows the denticals.
Yeah, price always comes into play, just didn't want to think you rushed into buying it, because maybe you were just compromising, ya know?
Take Care my man!
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