Draped Bust Large Cent for the 7070

Discussion in 'US Coins Forum' started by johnny54321, May 18, 2010.

  1. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    Besides the carbon spots and weak facial strike, I think this one has pretty decent surfaces. It's in a problem free ANACS slab. If I decide this coin is sufficient, I will be down to needing only 1 coin to complete the 7070. What say ye?
     

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  3. raider34

    raider34 Active Member

    I find the carbon spots and the scratch under Liberty's chin a little distracting, but overall I think it's a nice large cent. The reverse is very nice. Grade wise, XF40 is my guess.
     
  4. Duke Kavanaugh

    Duke Kavanaugh The Big Coin Hunter

    I like the coin and it's a nice grade but those spots do bug me a lot. It's really up to what your set has in it to match.
     
  5. Leadfoot

    Leadfoot there is no spoon

    The hit doesn't bother me. The spots do bother me (on a type coin).

    As for the grade, I'd net the coin down to 35 or 30 for the spots. Otherwise it appears to be a solid 40 or 45 coin.
     
  6. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    S-232 Early Die State R1 Detail Grade XF40 net VF30 for both spots and scratches. A similar example without the surface problems was included in the Holmes Collection Sale last year. The extra dentils on the reverse (below AMERICA along outer leaf tips) is present on both coins answering my earlier question of mint or post mint origin.

    ps Add 5-10 points for TPG and Retail grading respectively.

    http://www.icollector.com/1802-S-232-R1-EF40_i8599473

    OK! Now that I've critiqued yours, you can critique mine, though it's not in the same class.

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  7. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector Supporter

    While you are doing die varieties let me ask this question.
    My Draped Bust cent is a 1798, Second Hair variety.
    Would that uniquely identify the die variety or is there more to it?
    (Not surprisingly I suspect there is more.)

    If so I'll post images in the hopes that one of the gurus here can nail it down.
     
  8. mark_h

    mark_h Somewhere over the rainbow

    Yes there is more to it Kanga. Pictures will help attribute it. I think there are over 20 varieties for Style 2 Hair.

    As to the op - nice coin. The spots don't distract me, but I could see if you put it near the rest of your copper it could be distracting. Still a wonderful coin and I figure around XF45 in a anac's holder.
     
  9. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector Supporter

    Okay, here are the images.
    Watch out. They're large [300+KB]

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  10. Eduard

    Eduard Supporter**


    I am almost certain your 1798 is a Sheldon 184. Low rarity 2.
    Described as having small chips at "RT", and at "7". And a die scratch from "CA" to ribbon.

    The die scratch is quite visble on your specimen. And I think the chip at the serif of "7" is quite visible also (from the picture).

    A very nice coin, in high grade and with nice surfaces.
     
  11. kanga

    kanga 65 Year Collector Supporter

    Thanks for your work.
    I'll add that info to my formal image.

    I've GOT to polish the reverse of the slab.
    WAY too many scratches which detract from the coin.
     
  12. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I hope you're kidding. It's beautiful as it is. Improving it almost always makes it worse.

    Hold it. You said SLAB. OK, my heart can start up again.

    ps the die clash with the head of Liberty shows strongly at the fraction and is not post mint damage. It does make it a later die state of the S-184. It is the last of three pairings for the Reverse Die and First of two pairings for the Obverse Die.
     
  13. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    Thank you all for your comments!!

    That is a beautiful coin pictured there! Obviously a lot nicer than mine, but much more expensive too. Mine is in an ANACS XF-40 slab, and sold to me for $665.00. It definitely isn't perfect, but I do like the surface quality overall(free of corrosion).
     
  14. 900fine

    900fine doggone it people like me

    Darn good coin, johnny. I tend to agree with Mike - probably EAC 30ish.
     
  15. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    Johnny, is that you????!!!?? :)

    I love your coins that you post for your type sets, but this has to be one of my least favorites. Kinda disappointed that you bought it, I would've gotten a nicer looking one, but hey it is still a nice coin.
    Congrats Johnny
     
  16. bqcoins

    bqcoins Olympic Figure Skating Scoring System Expert

    The eye does tend to wander towards the spots, but overall the coin doesn't look too bad and seems to have some real character.
     
  17. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    I'm not sure if anyone has the die state information, but I would put the sequence of the three examples like this:

    1. Mine - No evidence of extra dentils. No CUD
    2. Yours - Extra dentils, but light or no bust incusion. No CUD
    3. Holmes - Extra dentils and bust incusion. No CUD.

    But then again, I didn't see the bust incusion on my late die state with the CUD over ATE of STATES though the dentils are there but light. Perhaps they reworked the die at some point.

    Please forgive me, but this is the really fun part of collecting early copper.
     
  18. johnny54321

    johnny54321 aspiring numismatist

    Yep, it's me! Good to see ya T! You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but cost plays a big factor here. Marshal posted a link to a high end XF-40 which is definitely nicer than mine. It also cost well over twice, almost three times as much money($1,600 compared to $665)! My goal for the type set is XF+ here, and I won't compromise the grade. I also won't compromise for a corroded pieces. So I'm working within what I'm willing to spend, and get the best bang for my buck. Though this coin isn't "excellent", I do think that it is "respectable", and will serve my 7070 needs quite nicely, even with the carbon spots.
     
  19. Marshall

    Marshall Junior Member

    The great thing about it is that your coin is equal in detail with just those minor blemishes and is affordable. I'd love to have more relief and less corrosion on mine. But then again, I paid less than half what you did, so our collections tend to resemble our ability and willingness to spend.
     
  20. Conder101

    Conder101 Numismatist

    Johnny's coin is a State II

    I think Marshal's coin is probably also a State II I do think see a trace of the misplaced denticals but no inclusion of the bust (which would push it to state III) It does have the small cud under the 18 which keeps it out of State I.

    The Holmes coin is a State IV and so is the icollector coin in the link that was posted.

    The cud over ATE does not show up until state VI.

    Holmes's second coin, with the cud, is a state VII and the inclusion of the bust and the denticals are still clear.

    If you coin with the cud doesn't show the inclusion it may be due to the condition of the coin. The same reason the one you have posted in the thread barely shows the denticals.
     
  21. tmoneyeagles

    tmoneyeagles Indian Buffalo Gatherer

    Yeah, price always comes into play, just didn't want to think you rushed into buying it, because maybe you were just compromising, ya know? :)
    Take Care my man!
     
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