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<p>[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 871892, member: 112"]So you are saying that because the part of the wings close to the body are worn almost smooth and have no detail; and that because PCGS's pictures show some wing detail even on a VG8 coin - that this coin must therefore be weakly struck. And the reason for the lack of detail in the wings, the entire eagle even, is because of a weak strike.</p><p><br /></p><p>Mark I'm sorry, but that dog just don't hunt.</p><p><br /></p><p>If anything, your logic dictates that PCGS over-graded the coin. When a coin is weakly struck, it is the weakly struck areas that are worn down first, before all other areas. That is because the weakly struck areas are the high points of the coin, not the low points. </p><p><br /></p><p>Look the rest of the coin on the reverse, the leaves, the legends, everything. The eagle on that coin is almost smooth because it was worn down smooth. Not because of any weak strike.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Look at PCGS's grading pictures. Their F12 coin has way more wing detail than either the 8 or the 10. For that matter, the 8 has more detail in the wings than the 10 does. But it is the obverse that counts the most - not the reverse. And in the grading pictures the 10 obv has just a bit more detail than the 8. And the 12 has just a bit more obv detail than the 10.</p><p><br /></p><p>What PCGS is telling you is that they are ignoring the reverse and grading the coin based on the obverse. Problem is, PCGS also says that a coin must be graded by its worst side. And that's what bugs me - they ignore that rule, their own rule, with these coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>As you have already mentioned, the obverse of the coin I posted appears to be of a higher grade than F12. Looking at the PCGS grading pictures, there is no doubt. So how does one explain the F12 grade ?</p><p><br /></p><p>I'll tell you how - they net graded the coin. But then PCGS swears that they do not net grade. But here they are, ignoring the grade by worst side rule. Here they are ignoring the no grade for damaged coins rule. Here they are assigning a grade of F12 to a coin with a VF20 obv and VG8 reverse - a net grade.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I could agree with you if talking about an MS coin. I might even agree with you about an XF coin. But an F12 coin ? Gimme a break.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 871892, member: 112"]So you are saying that because the part of the wings close to the body are worn almost smooth and have no detail; and that because PCGS's pictures show some wing detail even on a VG8 coin - that this coin must therefore be weakly struck. And the reason for the lack of detail in the wings, the entire eagle even, is because of a weak strike. Mark I'm sorry, but that dog just don't hunt. If anything, your logic dictates that PCGS over-graded the coin. When a coin is weakly struck, it is the weakly struck areas that are worn down first, before all other areas. That is because the weakly struck areas are the high points of the coin, not the low points. Look the rest of the coin on the reverse, the leaves, the legends, everything. The eagle on that coin is almost smooth because it was worn down smooth. Not because of any weak strike. Look at PCGS's grading pictures. Their F12 coin has way more wing detail than either the 8 or the 10. For that matter, the 8 has more detail in the wings than the 10 does. But it is the obverse that counts the most - not the reverse. And in the grading pictures the 10 obv has just a bit more detail than the 8. And the 12 has just a bit more obv detail than the 10. What PCGS is telling you is that they are ignoring the reverse and grading the coin based on the obverse. Problem is, PCGS also says that a coin must be graded by its worst side. And that's what bugs me - they ignore that rule, their own rule, with these coins. As you have already mentioned, the obverse of the coin I posted appears to be of a higher grade than F12. Looking at the PCGS grading pictures, there is no doubt. So how does one explain the F12 grade ? I'll tell you how - they net graded the coin. But then PCGS swears that they do not net grade. But here they are, ignoring the grade by worst side rule. Here they are ignoring the no grade for damaged coins rule. Here they are assigning a grade of F12 to a coin with a VF20 obv and VG8 reverse - a net grade. I could agree with you if talking about an MS coin. I might even agree with you about an XF coin. But an F12 coin ? Gimme a break.[/QUOTE]
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