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Message:: [QUOTE="GDJMSP, post: 3226059, member: 112"]Yes, they are different but still quite simple, and very similar when you get right down to it, at least in one way. In essence the European system is adjectival and the US system is numerical. But those adjectives and numbers largely correspond to each other. Take VF for example. US ............ EuropeanVF20 ............About VF     VF25.................VFVF30 ............Good VFVF35 ............Choice VF So in that regard there really isn't that much difference in them. And it's the same basic concept with the other grades. Where the real difference lies in the the grading standards used to determine which grade applies. In today's world, those are quite different. But they didn't used to be. Before the TPGs began loosening grading standards US and European grading standards were pretty much in line with each other. But once the changes began well the gap became wider and wider. And as a result much more easily noticeable.[/QUOTE]