Double bubble feature: Domna'd if I do. And Domna'd if I don't! Or: Best these buns Isis cans

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  1. Ryro

    Ryro They call me the 13th Caesar Supporter

    Yeah, yeah. I haven't recieved either of these beauties yet. However, luck be Domna'd.
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    I gotta share or I'll never get around to it later.

    Last things first; My butcher accidentally backed into the meat slicer and got a little behind in his work!:facepalm:... speaking of last things and behinds.
    I needed to get a proper Domna Venus reverse of her reverse. But had to give up centering, which I don't worry that much about so long as the most attractive and eye catching motifs are not missing, for possibly the greatest cheeks on the streets that I've ever seen:woot: Save maybe an Augustus that was up for auction a couple years ago that sold for the down payment on my house:oops:
    But if you think you've got better buns, we'd all love to see em:joyful:
    Oh. And the portrait is a showstopper as well:artist:. Heck, might be my favorite Denarius:singing:
    Happy to share with you all my latest Domna win:cigar::smuggrin:
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    The auction house gave two different images. Though, I don't like that in both pics the lighting is on the back of her head and not on her face, I prefer this one slightly more for how much more detail I can see on the reverse;).
    And the other image was the only one viewable on biddr (with the blurier posterior):
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    Julia Domna
    Denarius . 193-196 AD . Rome . (Ric- 536 ). Ob .: IVLIA DOMNA AVG, Bust draped to the right . Rev .: VENERI VICTR, Venus standing to the right, leaning on a column, holding a palm and an apple . Ag . 3.18 g. Displaced. Tone . EBC . Tauler & Fau Jan 2021
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    (Excuse me! Her FEET are down there!)

    As nice as that is, what's much nicer than finding a misidentified rarity with Egyptian i-coin-ography?
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    How about it being a stunning Julie Domna:kiss:
    Sold as: "Denarius AR
    Julia Domna (193-218), Juno, Rome 209 AD
    20 mm, 3,30 g
    RIC IV 559"
    One question. Where the Cloaca Maxima is Juno?o_O
    Thanks AC search:D I quickly put two and two together and, BooM:
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    Julia Domna
    (AD 193-217). AR denarius (20mm, 3.30 gm, 1h). VF, flan crack. Rome, AD 200-207. IVLIA-AVGVSTA, draped bust of Julia Domna right, seen from front, hair braided in waves and tucked in large chignon at back of head / SAECVLI F-ELICITAS, Isis, wearing peaked headdress, standing right, left foot on prow, holding the infant horus at her breast; to left, altar, against which rests a rudder. RIC IV.I (Septimius Severus) 577. Ex: Dr Elkowicz Jan 2021
    "An issue of aurei, denarii and sesterces in the name of the Empress Julia Domna appears on the reverse Isis. The legend SAECVLI FELICITAS invites to consider this strike as the indication of a new era of prosperity thanks to the Severan family back from Egypt. Already attached to the Antonine dynasty by the will of Septimius Severus, Divi Marci filius since 194, it promises stability and order to the Empire."

    Ummm yeah:happy: How sweet was this find that was pennies compared to double bubble up there:greedy:

    And by the way...


    So please share your Julia Domnas, posteriors on ancients, Isis or baby Horus on coins, thoughts and observations or any old thing that brings interest, fun and thought.
     
    Last edited: Jan 21, 2021
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  3. furryfrog02

    furryfrog02 Well-Known Member

    This is one of my grail coins. Don't have one yet but it is one of my favorite ummm reverses... :)
     
  4. Ryro

    Ryro They call me the 13th Caesar Supporter

    @dougsmit has some real booties...I mean beauties. I hope he'll share em with us:)
     
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  5. Mat

    Mat Ancient Coincoholic

    I have and have owned many Domna coins, just not this reverse type. Seen a few I was tempted but usually the bums are worn down from Venus sitting too much. But I still wouldn't mind an example eventually. It just isn't high on the list.

    Yours are great examples.
     
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  6. Ryro

    Ryro They call me the 13th Caesar Supporter

    Thanks a bunch. I'm very excited to see them in hand.
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    Hilaritas!!!!
    Think the old ancient dirty dogs used to rub that part for good luck... or whatever?
    I've always thought they were cool, but cost prohibitive.
    Then I got a good deal on one, that I've since given to a good buddy, and I was hooked.
    Here's my chocoloty delicious sest from last year:
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  7. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Nice score, @Ryro! You can add that bare-bottomed Venus Victrix denarius to match that sestertius with that reverse design.

    Speaking of which, here's my sestertius example:

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    Julia Domna, AD 193-217
    Roman oricalchum sestertius, 21.41 g, 28.8 mm.
    Rome, AD 194, issue 4.
    Obv: JULIA DOMNA AVG, bare-headed and draped bust, r.
    Rev: VENERI VICTR SC, Venus, naked to waist, standing r., holding apple and palm, resting l. elbow on column.
    Refs: RIC-842; BMCRE-488; Cohen-195; Sear-6631; Hill-113.

    And I have Isis and Horus ones from Roma and an eastern mint (formerly thought to have been Laodicea):

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    Julia Domna, AD 193-217.
    Roman AR denarius, 3.61 g, 17.7 mm, 12 h.
    Rome, AD 196-202.
    Obv: IVLIA AVGVSTA, bare-headed and draped bust, right.
    Rev: SAECVLI FELICITAS, Isis, wearing polos, standing right, foot on prow, nursing infant Horus; behind them, a ship’s rudder leans against an altar.
    Refs: RIC 577; BMCRE 75-82; Hill 504; Cohen 174; RCV 6606.

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    Julia Domna, AD 193-217.
    Roman AR denarius, 3.07 g, 18.2 mm, 12 h.
    Uncertain Eastern mint (Antioch?), AD 196-202.
    Obv: IVLIA AVGVSTA, bare-headed and draped bust, right.
    Rev: SAECVLI FELICITAS, Isis, wearing polos, standing right, left foot on prow, holding infant Horus on left arm, right hand on breast; behind them, rudder.
    Refs: RIC 645; BMCRE 618; Cohen 174; RCV --; CRE 353.
     
  8. Ryro

    Ryro They call me the 13th Caesar Supporter

    Taking a step back due to the AWESOMENESS!
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    Jeez Luis, again last things first;
    With the considerable artistic differences in style between your two jaw dropping
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    eastern mint JDs, strong mom Isis and little babies Horus, was I fast in presuming mine was the Roman mint?
    Again, mine resembled most the steady Eddie design of the Rome mints of the period. But I'd greatly appreciate your opinion on my identification.
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    The reverse of mine leaves desire of better detail and conservation.
    But judging off the reverse design and Domna's portrait, I figured it was Rome.
    And last and MOST importantly, where you been hiding that Sest brought to us by Queen:
     
  9. Roman Collector

    Roman Collector Supporter! Supporter

    Your Isis and Horus is indeed from the Rome mint.
     
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  10. zumbly

    zumbly Ha'ina 'ia mai ana ka puana Supporter

    Absolutely terrific pickup, @Ryro! My "bums worn down" example just can't compete... :(

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    My Isis nursing Harpo is on a big green Alexandrian. I'd love to get a denarius of that type one of these days.

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  11. ominus1

    ominus1 Well-Known Member

    ..o wow Ryro!...very kool purchases....purdy sure you recognize this lil bare beauty you gave me old buddy old pal-o-mine! bottoms up! :smuggrin::woot: Domna Venus   Numerian alex. tet 004.JPG Domna Venus   Numerian alex. tet 001.JPG
     
  12. DonnaML

    DonnaML Supporter! Supporter

    I'm afraid I have no coins with Juno's bottom, @Ryro. And I've posted my coins of Isis with Harpocrates* very recently, so I'll refrain from doing so again until I have something new to show. But I love yours and the others posted in this thread.

    * For anyone who doesn't know, the name Harpocrates is simply a Hellenization of the Egyptian words for "Horus-the-child."
     
  13. Curtisimo

    Curtisimo the Great(ish) Supporter

    Absolutely fantastic @Ryro . The reverse on your Domna / Venus is excellent from top to... umm yeah you get where I’m going with this.

    Also great Isis score. It’s a pretty cool feeling when you see something others miss.

    I don’t have any Venus posteriors but every time this subject comes up I can’t help posting my Indo-Greek Athena. She’s showing off and ready for battle.
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    Indo-Greek Kingdoms
    Menander I
    AR Drachm, Sagala(?) mint, struck ca. 165-130 BC
    Dia.: 20 mm
    Wt.: 2.46 g
    Obv.: BAΣIΛEΩΣ ΣΩTHPOΣ MENANΔPOY; helmeted head of king right.
    Rev.: Karoshthi legend, "Maharajasa tratarasa Menamdrasa"; Athena Alkidemos standing left, holding aegis on outstretched left arm, hurling thunderbolt with right hand, monogram at right.
    Ref.: Bop 16C
     
  14. dougsmit

    dougsmit Member Supporter

    I don't have any really nice ones and am not likely to pay what it takes for the MSFB coins that come on the market. I put together two groups of ten Venus from behind reverses. That took longer tonight than I really wanted it to so my labels are scanty. Maybe I will edit them tomorrow? Click to enlarge.
    Rome:
    Left column:
    coins 1 and 2 - drapery right only VENERI VICTR
    coins 3 and 4 - drapery left only VENERI VICTR
    coin 5 - drapery both sides (rare on denarii, usual on aurei, bronzes and all Easterns) - I am now doubting my attribution of this coin to Rome.

    Right column:
    coin 1 - Overstruck on Commodus? Manlia portrait?
    coins 2 and 3 - die dupes with and without die clash
    coin 4 - the strongest die clash on these that I have seen
    coin 5 - barbarous imitation
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    Eastern mints:
    Left column:
    coin 1 - Early style 'Emesa'
    coin 2 - a bit later
    coin 3 - IVLA obverse misspelling (this error also come from Alexandria)
    coin 4 - reverse VENERI VICTRICI
    coin 5 - reverse VENEBI VICTBICI (same obverse die)

    Right column:
    coins 1,2 and 3 - later 'Emesa' version with VENER VICTOR
    coin 4 - Alexandria mint
    coin 5 - Alexandria mint with Septimius
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    These coins represent the better half of my group (based on style). There are many dies with less 'detail'. There was a time I bought these without a lot of selectivity but now I only would add a 'special' variation.
     
  15. DonnaML

    DonnaML Supporter! Supporter

    @Curtisimo, your coin reminds me a little of this Athena, who also appears to have forgotten to get dressed this morning, in her eagerness to do battle.

    Thessaly, Thessalian League (under Roman Republic from 146 BCE, Province of Macedonia). Mid-late 1st century BCE, AR Stater ( = Double Victoriatus* = 1.5 denarius), Magistrates Italos and Diokles. Obv. Head of Zeus right, wearing oak wreath, [ITAΛOY] [behind head, off flan] / Rev. Helmeted Athena Itonia advancing right, holding shield with left hand and preparing to hurl spear with right hand; vertical legend ΘΕΣΣΑ-ΛΩN to left and right of Athena; ΔIO-KΛHΣ above spear, N-I across field. BCD** Thessaly II 874.4 [CNG, The BCD Collection of the Coinage of Thessaly, Triton XV Auction, Jan. 3, 2012, Lot 874.4 (this coin)]; HGC 4, 210; McClean II 4797-4798. 20 mm., 6.09 g., 12 h. [According to Basil C. Demetriadi: From Hoard found Dec. 1996, West of Karditsa,Thessaly, Greece.]

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    * CNG did not use the term “Double Victoriatus” in the Triton XV catalog, and has not used it in general since at least 2006, because of the absence of evidence that the term, rather than simply “stater,” was used contemporaneously in Thessaly.


    ** BCD = Basil [a/k/a Vassili] C. Demetriadi.
     
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  16. Ryro

    Ryro They call me the 13th Caesar Supporter

    Haha! That Athena has legs that go all the way up until they make an as of themselves!
    I suppose mooning your enemy is a good way to tick off, or distract ;), them while you attack:kiss:
    And @DonnaML yours leaves little to the imagination. And what a wonderful coin:artist:
    My curvy Athena appears to be showing some leg like a hitchhiker trying to get a free ride:
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  17. Alegandron

    Alegandron "ΤΩΙ ΚΡΑΤΙΣΤΩΙ..." ΜΕΓΑΣ ΑΛΕΞΑΝΔΡΟΣ, June 323 BCE Supporter

    I believe Trajan liked As, also:

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    Trajan, AD 98-117.
    Æ As, 26mm, 11.0g, 6h; Rome mint.
    Obv: IMP CAES NER TRAIANO OPTIMO AVG GER DAC PARTHICO P M TR P COS VI P P; Laureate and draped bust right.
    Rev: SENATVS POPVLVSQVE ROMANVS; Victory, draped, advancing right, holding wreath in right hand and palm frond in left; S-C
    Reference: RIC 675.

    Comments: “Parthian interference in Armenia prompted Trajan to declare war against their king, Osroes I, in AD 114. He quickly re-established Roman control of Armenia, forced the submission of Osrhoene, and in AD 116 took Mesopotamia by defeating Osroes I. Rather than pursuing the Parthians into Iran, Trajan set up a pro-Roman Parthian "buffer state" in Mesopotamia under a puppet-king appointed by Trajan, Parthamaspates. This Victory type is one of many from this period of Trajan’s coinage that commemorates these exploits in the East.” -CNG
    SENATVS POPVLVSQVE ROMANVS, frequently abbreviated on other Roman coinage as SPQR, means “The Senate and People of Rome.” Look at this page at acsearch, and you’ll see that the Victory-Left types with SPQR on shield are quite common. This coin is the Victory-Right with SPQR fully spelled out - very scarce.
    Ex: @John Anthony
     
  18. Caesar_Augustus

    Caesar_Augustus Well-Known Member

    I've been seeking one of these for a while! It's always nice to have a peachy venus! :)
     
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  19. Andres2

    Andres2 Well-Known Member

    Just 2 common Julia Domna denarii:

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  20. Limes

    Limes Supporter! Supporter

    That's a lovely coin of Julia Domna, with a great reverse. That reverse is also on a coin of Titus, which is on my wishlist because of the... well... noticable reverse :) And thanks for the write-up, I enjoy your posts!

    Here are my Domna's:
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  21. Ryro

    Ryro They call me the 13th Caesar Supporter

    WoWiE Doug! Thanks so much for taking the time to put this together:snaphappy::)
    A truly amazing assortment of bun...I mean fun;)
    Kinda feel like the kid who brings a six pack to the party and then his big brother shows up with a keg!:hilarious:
    Though, the top left probably has my favorite reverse, that top right is so intriguing:pompous:
    That sure looks like Manlia to me. And if it is an overstruck Commodus it would make perfect sense that if the mint hadn't seen the new Augusta yet during all the turmoil they would just keep the womanly image and change the name. We certainly saw this a lot with the Emperors during the year of four.
    Looking at how wonky the letters are, I wonder if they might have manipulated the die (would that have been possible?), erased Manlia Scantily (clad) and put Julia Domna:pompous:?
    Also, I've never seen a barbarous:jimlad: one:wideyed: Is that bronze, silver or something in between?
    And looks like I'll be needing to find a Shepty Venus coin as well now. Surprised yours isn't from an eastern mint. But I really like his Alexandrian portrait:artist:
    Again, sounds like it was a pain but genuinely appreciate you sharing this wonderful sub set :singing::)
     
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