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<p>[QUOTE="NPCoin, post: 582814, member: 5629"]I am genuinely surprised by some of the earlier replies to this thread from some of our seasoned numismatists.</p><p><br /></p><p>To answer your question, the Greysheet is published by CDN, Inc. based in Torrance, California. They have been in the numismatic information business since 1963 with the purpose of reflecting accurate bid and ask levels of coins in the wholesale market. They utilize any and all information on the market they can acquire to make their bid/ask speculations, including teletype and computerized trading networks, actual dealer trades, "buy" lists, auction realizations, etc.</p><p><br /></p><p>Their bid/ask prices are their reflection of the current wholesale market. When referring to the wholesale market, the following is assumed:</p><ul> <li>the transactions are dealer to dealer</li> <li>the bid levels are for items actually needed in inventory</li> <li>the ask levels are for items actually in inventory</li> </ul><p><br /></p><p>That is to say, the market is specified to dealer-to-dealer transactions with actual market supply and demand, and not speculation, taken into consideration.</p><p><br /></p><p>It is quite unfortunate that there are speculators, investors, and even collectors who feel that they are somehow a part of this wholesale market, or deserve the bid benefits of said market, when, in fact, they are part of the retail and secondary markets.</p><p><br /></p><p>Supply and demand on the wholesale market is quite a different subject than supply and demand on the retail and secondary markets. On the wholesale market, items are in actual inventory and taking up valuable capital that could be used for newer inventory that may have a higher demand on the retail market. Stagnant inventory is never a good thing for a dealer. If a dealer can offload stagnant inventory (sometimes in bulk) to recover capital for newer inventory that is in higher demand on the retail market, the dealer will often take the opportunity.</p><p><br /></p><p>This opportunity, however, may require the dealer to offer the stagnant inventory near cost. This is, for the most part, where the Greysheet ask is derived. Usually, the dealer placing a bid for such inventory is in immediate need of such inventory (as stagnant inventory never makes a dealer money). So, it is not surprising that, when trying to sell to a dealer, they will only offer you Greysheet bid, or even lower.</p><p><br /></p><p>When they have the opportunity to obtain inventory as needed on the wholesale market for a slight cost above published wholesale bid pricing, why would they give a retail customer more for possibly stagnant inventory?</p><p><br /></p><p>That is quite understandable, however, the OP has a problem with this same attitude from what are supposed collectors. I personally have no real problem with opportunism. Why, that's what "cherry-picking" is all about. Seeking that opportunity to obtain a desired piece at that unbelievably low price.</p><p><br /></p><p>Yet, I do not believe this is even what the OP has a gripe with. I have for quite a while now seen many proclaiming to be "collectors" with the attitude that they somehow "deserve" the same pricing as dealer-to-dealer transactions. The attitude puts anybody, even dealers, who try to charge any semblance of retail pricing into the mold of being, for lack of a better word, evil.</p><p><br /></p><p>Those who try to charge a retail price are proclaimed by many of these people to be scam artists, rip-offs, underhanded, etc. And I'm not talking about the sellers who obviously are, trying to sell circulated coin as BU, selling counterfeits, etc..</p><p><br /></p><p>I believe this is the attitude the OP has encountered and become overwhelmed by. And a place like eBay very well may get a better price for the coins, yet, keep in mind that eBay is not free. By the time the closing fees are said and done between eBay and PayPal, each coin will cost 15%+ in fees.</p><p><br /></p><p>So, while the peer-to-peer market may indeed get you 20% or more higher than a wholesale price may, it still may be better to just sell to the local dealer at wholesale levels. But, I certainly would think twice about giving someone with an "I deserve it" attitude wholesale pricing when the hard working dealer would give me the same and have the opportunity to profit, and thus continue to stay in business.[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="NPCoin, post: 582814, member: 5629"]I am genuinely surprised by some of the earlier replies to this thread from some of our seasoned numismatists. To answer your question, the Greysheet is published by CDN, Inc. based in Torrance, California. They have been in the numismatic information business since 1963 with the purpose of reflecting accurate bid and ask levels of coins in the wholesale market. They utilize any and all information on the market they can acquire to make their bid/ask speculations, including teletype and computerized trading networks, actual dealer trades, "buy" lists, auction realizations, etc. Their bid/ask prices are their reflection of the current wholesale market. When referring to the wholesale market, the following is assumed: [LIST] [*]the transactions are dealer to dealer [*]the bid levels are for items actually needed in inventory [*]the ask levels are for items actually in inventory [/LIST] That is to say, the market is specified to dealer-to-dealer transactions with actual market supply and demand, and not speculation, taken into consideration. It is quite unfortunate that there are speculators, investors, and even collectors who feel that they are somehow a part of this wholesale market, or deserve the bid benefits of said market, when, in fact, they are part of the retail and secondary markets. Supply and demand on the wholesale market is quite a different subject than supply and demand on the retail and secondary markets. On the wholesale market, items are in actual inventory and taking up valuable capital that could be used for newer inventory that may have a higher demand on the retail market. Stagnant inventory is never a good thing for a dealer. If a dealer can offload stagnant inventory (sometimes in bulk) to recover capital for newer inventory that is in higher demand on the retail market, the dealer will often take the opportunity. This opportunity, however, may require the dealer to offer the stagnant inventory near cost. This is, for the most part, where the Greysheet ask is derived. Usually, the dealer placing a bid for such inventory is in immediate need of such inventory (as stagnant inventory never makes a dealer money). So, it is not surprising that, when trying to sell to a dealer, they will only offer you Greysheet bid, or even lower. When they have the opportunity to obtain inventory as needed on the wholesale market for a slight cost above published wholesale bid pricing, why would they give a retail customer more for possibly stagnant inventory? That is quite understandable, however, the OP has a problem with this same attitude from what are supposed collectors. I personally have no real problem with opportunism. Why, that's what "cherry-picking" is all about. Seeking that opportunity to obtain a desired piece at that unbelievably low price. Yet, I do not believe this is even what the OP has a gripe with. I have for quite a while now seen many proclaiming to be "collectors" with the attitude that they somehow "deserve" the same pricing as dealer-to-dealer transactions. The attitude puts anybody, even dealers, who try to charge any semblance of retail pricing into the mold of being, for lack of a better word, evil. Those who try to charge a retail price are proclaimed by many of these people to be scam artists, rip-offs, underhanded, etc. And I'm not talking about the sellers who obviously are, trying to sell circulated coin as BU, selling counterfeits, etc.. I believe this is the attitude the OP has encountered and become overwhelmed by. And a place like eBay very well may get a better price for the coins, yet, keep in mind that eBay is not free. By the time the closing fees are said and done between eBay and PayPal, each coin will cost 15%+ in fees. So, while the peer-to-peer market may indeed get you 20% or more higher than a wholesale price may, it still may be better to just sell to the local dealer at wholesale levels. But, I certainly would think twice about giving someone with an "I deserve it" attitude wholesale pricing when the hard working dealer would give me the same and have the opportunity to profit, and thus continue to stay in business.[/QUOTE]
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