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<p>[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24874934, member: 26430"]Great catch to notice the scarce legend! I remember reading about the Domitians ending in PONT from exactly those collectors in several places. They all (Atherton, Curtis Clay, and Orfew -- showing the coin above) discuss them on a very useful thread here: <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/pontificating-about-pont-denarii.365395/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/pontificating-about-pont-denarii.365395/">https://www.cointalk.com/threads/pontificating-about-pont-denarii.365395/</a></p><p><br /></p><p>I also saw the coin in the Curtis Clay Collection sale at HJB (I bought a different coin from that portion of the Curtis Clay Collection) but would've paid closer attention if I'd realized it was ex-Atherton, Orfew, and Sneh Collections.</p><p><br /></p><p>(If you feel like passing it on to a specialist, you might as Atherton if he knows anyone who would be interested. If anyone would know, it would be him. He's around most of the main coin Forums and on Youtube & his blog, Flavian Fanatic.)</p><p><br /></p><p>I bought some others of A. Short/Orfew's Flavian Denarii when he sold them at CNG, including a couple of scarce types:</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1596613[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>With some old tags [<i>click thumbnail to "embiggen"</i>]</p><p>[ATTACH]1596617[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>Of one of them, the Titus Denarius in the bottom right above (larger below), Orfew/A. Short wrote the following (what makes it rare is the lituus under the frame + exactly five palmettes):</p><p><br /></p><blockquote><p>"This type will be published in the upcoming RIC II Addenda. This coin is currently the second one known. The other is owned by David Atherton, a collector of Flavian coinage. David Atherton’s coin will be the RIC reference coin."</p><p><a href="https://www.academia.edu/45653875/Flyspecking_the_denarii_of_Domitians_first_year_as_Augustus" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.academia.edu/45653875/Flyspecking_the_denarii_of_Domitians_first_year_as_Augustus" rel="nofollow">https://www.academia.edu/45653875/Flyspecking_the_denarii_of_Domitians_first_year_as_Augustus</a> (also the Atherton-Sneh-Orfew-Clay coin).</p><p>See also (this coin discussed): <a href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/an-interesting-titus-time-to-count-palmettes.337327/" class="internalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.cointalk.com/threads/an-interesting-titus-time-to-count-palmettes.337327/">Cointalk 337327</a> ; <a href="https://www.historicalancientromancoins.com/single-post/2019/05/04/titus-ar-denarius-80-ce-january-1-june-30" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.historicalancientromancoins.com/single-post/2019/05/04/titus-ar-denarius-80-ce-january-1-june-30" rel="nofollow">https://www.historicalancientromancoins.com/single-post/2019/05/04/titus-ar-denarius-80-ce-january-1-june-30</a></p></blockquote><p><br /></p><p><b>RIC II.1 124A</b> (ex-Orfew/Short):</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1596616[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><b>RIC II.1 263 </b>(this coin; ex Clay, JSW, Hall):</p><p>Speaking of scarce Flavian Varieties, RIC II.1 "plate coins" and the Curtis Clay Collection, here's the one I mentioned as having picked up (above):</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1596620[/ATTACH]</p><p><br /></p><p>The "CONCOR AVG" legend is rare, especially combined with Vespasian radiate on the Dupondius. In addition to Curtis Clay (and J.S. Wagner), this coin was also in the <a href="https://coinsweekly.com/whoswho-sammler/hall-henry-platt-1863-1949/" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://coinsweekly.com/whoswho-sammler/hall-henry-platt-1863-1949/" rel="nofollow">Henry Platt Hall (1863-1949)</a> Collection, from which a plaster cast was made, and then deposited with Ashmolean Museum (Oxford University). Now the "plate coin" in the new RIC II.1, from a photo of the Hall-Oxford cast. (Also a <a href="https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/vespasian/t.html" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/vespasian/t.html" rel="nofollow">Wildwinds "Digital Plate Coin"</a> & <a href="http://www.romanatic.com/search.html?eid=11&oid=423&rid=577" target="_blank" class="externalLink ProxyLink" data-proxy-href="http://www.romanatic.com/search.html?eid=11&oid=423&rid=577" rel="nofollow">Romanatic Database 3073</a>.)</p><p><br /></p><p><i>My video</i>:</p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]kG-qpcccvow[/MEDIA][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Curtis, post: 24874934, member: 26430"]Great catch to notice the scarce legend! I remember reading about the Domitians ending in PONT from exactly those collectors in several places. They all (Atherton, Curtis Clay, and Orfew -- showing the coin above) discuss them on a very useful thread here: [URL]https://www.cointalk.com/threads/pontificating-about-pont-denarii.365395/[/URL] I also saw the coin in the Curtis Clay Collection sale at HJB (I bought a different coin from that portion of the Curtis Clay Collection) but would've paid closer attention if I'd realized it was ex-Atherton, Orfew, and Sneh Collections. (If you feel like passing it on to a specialist, you might as Atherton if he knows anyone who would be interested. If anyone would know, it would be him. He's around most of the main coin Forums and on Youtube & his blog, Flavian Fanatic.) I bought some others of A. Short/Orfew's Flavian Denarii when he sold them at CNG, including a couple of scarce types: [ATTACH=full]1596613[/ATTACH] With some old tags [[I]click thumbnail to "embiggen"[/I]] [ATTACH]1596617[/ATTACH] Of one of them, the Titus Denarius in the bottom right above (larger below), Orfew/A. Short wrote the following (what makes it rare is the lituus under the frame + exactly five palmettes): [INDENT]"This type will be published in the upcoming RIC II Addenda. This coin is currently the second one known. The other is owned by David Atherton, a collector of Flavian coinage. David Atherton’s coin will be the RIC reference coin." [URL]https://www.academia.edu/45653875/Flyspecking_the_denarii_of_Domitians_first_year_as_Augustus[/URL] (also the Atherton-Sneh-Orfew-Clay coin). See also (this coin discussed): [URL='https://www.cointalk.com/threads/an-interesting-titus-time-to-count-palmettes.337327/']Cointalk 337327[/URL] ; [URL]https://www.historicalancientromancoins.com/single-post/2019/05/04/titus-ar-denarius-80-ce-january-1-june-30[/URL][/INDENT] [B]RIC II.1 124A[/B] (ex-Orfew/Short): [ATTACH=full]1596616[/ATTACH] [B]RIC II.1 263 [/B](this coin; ex Clay, JSW, Hall): Speaking of scarce Flavian Varieties, RIC II.1 "plate coins" and the Curtis Clay Collection, here's the one I mentioned as having picked up (above): [ATTACH=full]1596620[/ATTACH] The "CONCOR AVG" legend is rare, especially combined with Vespasian radiate on the Dupondius. In addition to Curtis Clay (and J.S. Wagner), this coin was also in the [URL='https://coinsweekly.com/whoswho-sammler/hall-henry-platt-1863-1949/']Henry Platt Hall (1863-1949)[/URL] Collection, from which a plaster cast was made, and then deposited with Ashmolean Museum (Oxford University). Now the "plate coin" in the new RIC II.1, from a photo of the Hall-Oxford cast. (Also a [URL='https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/vespasian/t.html']Wildwinds "Digital Plate Coin"[/URL] & [URL='http://www.romanatic.com/search.html?eid=11&oid=423&rid=577']Romanatic Database 3073[/URL].) [I]My video[/I]: [MEDIA=youtube]kG-qpcccvow[/MEDIA][/QUOTE]
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