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<p>[QUOTE="Orfew, post: 7521935, member: 74968"]Thanks to another board member I was able to ad 2 very rare Domitian denarii to my collection. Before the reveal however I want to provide some information about the rare Domitian denarii of 85 CE.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>There were 6 issues of precious metal coinage of Domitian in 85 CE. The coins that I have pursued are from the fourth, fifth and sixth issues. All of these coins are rare to extremely rare. The fourth and fifth issues all feature CENS POT in the reverse legend. It was in 85 CE that Domitian added the title of censor to his many other titles.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I am always looking for denarii with CENS POT in the reverse legend. These coins are all rare and they do not show up in the market very often. in fact, it is not easy to add any Domitian denarius from 85 CE. The CENS POT coins mark the debasement of the denarii. It was at this point that the denarii were debased to the standards of the Neronian silver coins. According to RIC the denarii remained at this standard of fineness for the remainder of Domitian’s reign.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Domitian. Denarius. Rome 85 CE. (Fifth Issue)</p><p>(20.54mm 3.44g)</p><p>Obv: Head laureate r; IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM PM TR P V</p><p>Rev: Minvera advancing r with spear and shield; IMP VIIII COS XI CENS POT PP </p><p>RIC-342 (R2). BMC –</p><p>Jesus Vico Mail bid auction # 153 Lot 3136 March 7, 2019</p><p>Coin depicted on the Wildwinds database</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1299076[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>I only have one denarius from the fifth issue. However, I have been able to add some great coins from the fourth issue. There are seven CENS POT denarii in this group. I happen to own 5 of these. For me the fourth issue is much more interesting because of the seven CENS POT denarii, four of these feature Aegis on the portrait of Domitian. At the moment I own 3 of the aegis portrait denarii. The only one I need is RIC 332. Aegis appeared only rarely on the denarii of Domitian.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Domitian AR Denarius (85 CE) (Fourth issue)</p><p>(20.5 mm 3.22 g)</p><p>Obv: Laureate head r, IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM PM TR P IIII</p><p>Rev: Minerva stg r on capital of rostral column, with spear and shield; to r owl</p><p>IMP VIIII COS XI CENS POT P P</p><p>RIC 333 (R2); BMC 78(cross symbol), Cohen 180 RSC 180 </p><p>Purchased from Phillipe Saive Numimatique March 15, 2019</p><p>Coin depicted on the Wildwinds database</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1299072[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Domitian AR denarius 85 CE</p><p>(19mm, 3.50 grams)</p><p>Obv: Head laureate right with Aegis; IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM PM TR P IIII</p><p>Rev: Minerva standing right on capital of rostral column with spear and shield to right owl; IMP VIIII COS XI CENS POT P P</p><p>RIC: 334 (R2)</p><p>Ex Dr V.J.A Flynn collection, Noble Numismatics Auction 120 Lot 3222 (part)</p><p>Ex: Ye Olde Coin dot au </p><p>[ATTACH=full]1299073[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Domitian, 81-96. Denarius 85 CE Fourth Issue</p><p>(Silver, 20 mm, 3.32 g, 6 h), Rome.</p><p>Obv: IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM P M TR P IIII Laureate head of Domitian to right, wearing aegis. </p><p>Rev. IMP VIIII COS XI CENS POT P P Minerva standing front, head to left, holding thunderbolt in her right hand and a spear in her left; behind her, shield. </p><p>BMC 79. Cohen 178 var. (without aegis). RIC 336 (R2). </p><p>Leu Numismatic E-Auction 8 Lot 1038 June 30, 2019.</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1299074[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>Domitian AR Denarius 85 CE (fourth Issue)</p><p>(20.00 mm 3.35 g) </p><p>Obv: IMP CAES DOMIT AVG – GERM P M TR P IIII, laureate head right, wearing aegis</p><p>Rev: IMP VIIII COS XI – CENS POT P P Minerva standing left, holding spear in right hand</p><p>Ref.: RIC II 339 (R2), RSC 180a, BMC 80</p><p>Ex: Michael Kelly Collection</p><p>Ex: Spink numismatic e-circular 1 Part 1 Ancient Coins Auction 20120 Lot 228 (part). February 13, 2020.</p><p>Purchased from Germania Inferior Numismatics on Vcoins February 22, 2020.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1299075[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>In the fourth issue, the 4 Minerva types appear for the coins with Aegis and for the types without. There is one exception to this. RIC 332 is an M1 Minerva (advancing right with spear and shield). It is also an Aegis coin. There is, however, no corresponding M1 without Aegis. This is not terribly surprising given the overall rarity of the coins in this issue. Moreover, I would not be surprised at all if a non-Aegis version was discovered in the future.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>As to my new additions, this first coin is very elusive. Also, I really like the portrait on this coin. There were some excellent portraits of Domitian on his denarii between 84-88 and this is one of them. So it is both rare and lovely, and this is a combination I like very much. However, depending on the coin I am also happy to add coins that are rare or lovely and not both.</p><p><br /></p><p>I found 3 of these on acsearch, 0 on OCRE, 0 at CNG, 2 mentioned in RIC and 2 on Forum Ancient Coins (this coin is one of those in the forum galleries). Also, acsearch mentions 4 coins as D338 when in fact one of the examples is D339 instead because it has Aegis on the portrait. </p><p><br /></p><p>My sincere thanks to Jay for letting me buy this one. It has gotten me closer to my goal of adding all of the Minerva series denarii from the fourth issue of 85 CE to my collection.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Domitian AR Denarius 85 CE (Fourth issue)</p><p>(3.13g)</p><p>Obv: Laureate bust right, IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM PM TR P IIII</p><p>Rev: Minerva standing left with spear; IMP VIIII COS XI CENS POT PP</p><p>RIC 338</p><p>Ex: Aegean store on Vcoins</p><p>Ex: Savuto collection</p><p><br /></p><p>[ATTACH=full]1298741[/ATTACH] </p><p><br /></p><p>The coin below is another very rare coin, but not as rare as the coin above. This coin has the rare dating combination of IMP XI COS XI. In the sixth issue there are only 3 types of denarii. Normally, one would see all four Minerva types in each issue. Minerva with thunderbolt is missing from this group. Like the M1 denarius without Aegis in the fourth issue, it is quite possible that this Minerva type will be discovered at some time in the future. I very much hope that I can add more of these sixth-issue denarii in the future. Thanks again to Jay for selling me this interesting rare coin.</p><p><br /></p><p><br /></p><p>Domitian AR Denarius 85 CE (Sixth issue)</p><p>(3.49g)</p><p>Obv: Laureate head right; IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM PM TR P IIII</p><p>Rev: Minerva standing left with spear; IMP XI COS XI CENS PP P</p><p>RIC 393; BMC 87; RSC 189</p><p>Ex: Calgary coin</p><p>Ex: Savuto collection</p><p>[ATTACH=full]1298742[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Orfew, post: 7521935, member: 74968"]Thanks to another board member I was able to ad 2 very rare Domitian denarii to my collection. Before the reveal however I want to provide some information about the rare Domitian denarii of 85 CE. There were 6 issues of precious metal coinage of Domitian in 85 CE. The coins that I have pursued are from the fourth, fifth and sixth issues. All of these coins are rare to extremely rare. The fourth and fifth issues all feature CENS POT in the reverse legend. It was in 85 CE that Domitian added the title of censor to his many other titles. I am always looking for denarii with CENS POT in the reverse legend. These coins are all rare and they do not show up in the market very often. in fact, it is not easy to add any Domitian denarius from 85 CE. The CENS POT coins mark the debasement of the denarii. It was at this point that the denarii were debased to the standards of the Neronian silver coins. According to RIC the denarii remained at this standard of fineness for the remainder of Domitian’s reign. Domitian. Denarius. Rome 85 CE. (Fifth Issue) (20.54mm 3.44g) Obv: Head laureate r; IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM PM TR P V Rev: Minvera advancing r with spear and shield; IMP VIIII COS XI CENS POT PP RIC-342 (R2). BMC – Jesus Vico Mail bid auction # 153 Lot 3136 March 7, 2019 Coin depicted on the Wildwinds database [ATTACH=full]1299076[/ATTACH] I only have one denarius from the fifth issue. However, I have been able to add some great coins from the fourth issue. There are seven CENS POT denarii in this group. I happen to own 5 of these. For me the fourth issue is much more interesting because of the seven CENS POT denarii, four of these feature Aegis on the portrait of Domitian. At the moment I own 3 of the aegis portrait denarii. The only one I need is RIC 332. Aegis appeared only rarely on the denarii of Domitian. Domitian AR Denarius (85 CE) (Fourth issue) (20.5 mm 3.22 g) Obv: Laureate head r, IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM PM TR P IIII Rev: Minerva stg r on capital of rostral column, with spear and shield; to r owl IMP VIIII COS XI CENS POT P P RIC 333 (R2); BMC 78(cross symbol), Cohen 180 RSC 180 Purchased from Phillipe Saive Numimatique March 15, 2019 Coin depicted on the Wildwinds database [ATTACH=full]1299072[/ATTACH] Domitian AR denarius 85 CE (19mm, 3.50 grams) Obv: Head laureate right with Aegis; IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM PM TR P IIII Rev: Minerva standing right on capital of rostral column with spear and shield to right owl; IMP VIIII COS XI CENS POT P P RIC: 334 (R2) Ex Dr V.J.A Flynn collection, Noble Numismatics Auction 120 Lot 3222 (part) Ex: Ye Olde Coin dot au [ATTACH=full]1299073[/ATTACH] Domitian, 81-96. Denarius 85 CE Fourth Issue (Silver, 20 mm, 3.32 g, 6 h), Rome. Obv: IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM P M TR P IIII Laureate head of Domitian to right, wearing aegis. Rev. IMP VIIII COS XI CENS POT P P Minerva standing front, head to left, holding thunderbolt in her right hand and a spear in her left; behind her, shield. BMC 79. Cohen 178 var. (without aegis). RIC 336 (R2). Leu Numismatic E-Auction 8 Lot 1038 June 30, 2019. [ATTACH=full]1299074[/ATTACH] Domitian AR Denarius 85 CE (fourth Issue) (20.00 mm 3.35 g) Obv: IMP CAES DOMIT AVG – GERM P M TR P IIII, laureate head right, wearing aegis Rev: IMP VIIII COS XI – CENS POT P P Minerva standing left, holding spear in right hand Ref.: RIC II 339 (R2), RSC 180a, BMC 80 Ex: Michael Kelly Collection Ex: Spink numismatic e-circular 1 Part 1 Ancient Coins Auction 20120 Lot 228 (part). February 13, 2020. Purchased from Germania Inferior Numismatics on Vcoins February 22, 2020. [ATTACH=full]1299075[/ATTACH] In the fourth issue, the 4 Minerva types appear for the coins with Aegis and for the types without. There is one exception to this. RIC 332 is an M1 Minerva (advancing right with spear and shield). It is also an Aegis coin. There is, however, no corresponding M1 without Aegis. This is not terribly surprising given the overall rarity of the coins in this issue. Moreover, I would not be surprised at all if a non-Aegis version was discovered in the future. As to my new additions, this first coin is very elusive. Also, I really like the portrait on this coin. There were some excellent portraits of Domitian on his denarii between 84-88 and this is one of them. So it is both rare and lovely, and this is a combination I like very much. However, depending on the coin I am also happy to add coins that are rare or lovely and not both. I found 3 of these on acsearch, 0 on OCRE, 0 at CNG, 2 mentioned in RIC and 2 on Forum Ancient Coins (this coin is one of those in the forum galleries). Also, acsearch mentions 4 coins as D338 when in fact one of the examples is D339 instead because it has Aegis on the portrait. My sincere thanks to Jay for letting me buy this one. It has gotten me closer to my goal of adding all of the Minerva series denarii from the fourth issue of 85 CE to my collection. Domitian AR Denarius 85 CE (Fourth issue) (3.13g) Obv: Laureate bust right, IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM PM TR P IIII Rev: Minerva standing left with spear; IMP VIIII COS XI CENS POT PP RIC 338 Ex: Aegean store on Vcoins Ex: Savuto collection [ATTACH=full]1298741[/ATTACH] The coin below is another very rare coin, but not as rare as the coin above. This coin has the rare dating combination of IMP XI COS XI. In the sixth issue there are only 3 types of denarii. Normally, one would see all four Minerva types in each issue. Minerva with thunderbolt is missing from this group. Like the M1 denarius without Aegis in the fourth issue, it is quite possible that this Minerva type will be discovered at some time in the future. I very much hope that I can add more of these sixth-issue denarii in the future. Thanks again to Jay for selling me this interesting rare coin. Domitian AR Denarius 85 CE (Sixth issue) (3.49g) Obv: Laureate head right; IMP CAES DOMIT AVG GERM PM TR P IIII Rev: Minerva standing left with spear; IMP XI COS XI CENS PP P RIC 393; BMC 87; RSC 189 Ex: Calgary coin Ex: Savuto collection [ATTACH=full]1298742[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]
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