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Message:: [QUOTE="bhp3rd, post: 836733, member: 16510"]Doug gave the best info on this coin I will only add this: Where's the luster?  It could be the photos but I just do not see any luster at all which tells me.As said it's a slider and a tricky one to boot.  I see an AU-50,55 coin here and only AU because it's wear is so little.  My bet would be it has roll rub or cabnet friction rub combined with a weak strike, plus it's been dipped.That is the only thing that would account for the lack of luster.A grade of MS-61 IMO is a gift and not a nice one at that.  When you get into the MS-60, 61, 62 grades on most coins whether it be market grading or technical grading your in a hazy area for most coins.  If not a key date coin that is rare across the board in all grades what have you got?  In most cases you have a coin that is an AU-55 or 58 that somebody gifted you with an MS grade.  In other words the TPG could not positively determine that the coin had geniune wear from circulation and the wear was from another cause plus they overlooked the luster.  I mean gold has luster at times in VF-30.Big gold coins, peace dollars, barber halves and even walking liberty halves have this type wear often.If this coin has as little luster as it appears to have it's been dipped or should I say over dipped.  I'd give it an AU-58 if it had luster.[/QUOTE]