Does this make any sense

Discussion in 'Coin Chat' started by Hazmatt, Dec 6, 2019.

  1. Hazmatt

    Hazmatt Active Member

    The misses asked me a good question and I don't know the answer so I hope you all can help us. So here's the question; if you find 2 or more coins of the same denomination and same mint mark with the same anomaly does that make it a variety?
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  3. paddyman98

    paddyman98 Let me burst your bubble! Supporter

    Maybe.. If they are both the same year. If not then it might be just a coincidental anomaly.

    What coins are they? Care to show any pictures?
  4. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Assuming two or more coins with the same date & mintmark are found:

    Is a clash considered an error or a variety?

    Is a cud considered an error or a variety?

  5. okbustchaser

    okbustchaser Just plain busted Supporter

    Actually, neither. They are simply examples of a particular die state.
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  6. Clawcoins

    Clawcoins Well-Known Member

    It's hard to define "same anomaly" without a specific example.

    Many, upon cursory review may think two anomalies are the "same" .. or "similar" when in fact they are "different" although "just kinda similar looking".

    The first step is to differentiate whether it is an "anomaly" or simple "damage".
  7. cpm9ball

    cpm9ball CANNOT RE-MEMBER

    Not that I disagree with you, but why are there die clashes on Morgan Dollars listed in the CPG?

  8. Islander80-83

    Islander80-83 Well-Known Member

    The only thing that's an anomaly is your marriage. I wish my misses would ask me some coin questions! :banghead: :hilarious:
  9. capthank

    capthank Well-Known Member

    My wife always asks me how much I spent.
  10. TheFinn

    TheFinn Well-Known Member

    The same reasin the 1937-D 3-legged Buffalo is listed. Demand.
  11. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    I would say yes if doing solid date bank boxes, rolls or Mint bags. For instance, a roll of 1999 P Lincoln cents in B.U. yielded 5 of the same minor doubled die in the statue bay. A bag of 2015 P Homestead quarters yielded many of the same exact die chips in the corn stalks. And a original bank wrapped roll of B.U. 1960 D Lincoln cents yielded the same exact RPM. But many times I have also found a "similar" die crack or chip that was a progression. To find two exactly the same in the wild at different times is a coincidence. IMHO.
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  12. Hazmatt

    Hazmatt Active Member

    Would you say coincidence if I found a third but this third one is black with gold tinting on obverse,, I'm going to call it dumb luck but I do recall getting them all from the liquor store a block from my house
  13. Hazmatt

    Hazmatt Active Member

    The misses has collected stamps with her father since she was 5 years old and she always seems to know all the right questions to ask, she's a natural at getting every bit of information about any subject
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  14. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    Generally it depends on the origin of the anomaly. Whether the anomaly is attributed to the die manufacturing process (a variety) or the coin manufacturing process (an error). But in the same realm of rules such as "i" before "e" except after "c" there are exception to the rule.
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  15. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast

    I'll add that there are hybrids like transitional cents (CAMs/WAMs) where the wrong pairing of a properly manufactured die contributed to a variety.
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  16. justafarmer

    justafarmer Senior Member

    Then the question arises as to whether something such as this is better classified as a type.
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  17. ldhair

    ldhair Clean Supporter

    Folks will argue what to call this type of stuff till the end of time. I agree with the way the CPG went about this. They use the term "varieties" as a catch-all for fun coins to watch for.
  18. kaparthy

    kaparthy Supporter! Supporter

    Unless you are being punny, the word in modern American is "missus" and is colloquial for the easily misunderstood, "mistress": Mrs. (The older form, "missis" is rare in American writing.). It is not a big deal, but we like to use words like "cent" and "penny" correctly. We grant that you miss her when she is gone, just as she misses you when you are off at coin shows.
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  19. physics-fan3.14

    physics-fan3.14 You got any more of them.... prooflikes? Supporter

    Unless he's using the plural. Miss is an address for a girl (although not PC anymore). The misses would be plural. So maybe they were all curious and asked him a question?
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  20. tommyc03

    tommyc03 Senior Member

    I guess we would have to go back to the word anomaly. Exactly what is this anomaly? Could you provide pics? If not an error/variety any given die could produce thousands of anomalies, all the same. These could be the result of a worn die and include mechanical doubling, machine doubling, ejection doubling, die cracks and chips and a host of other problem coins that someone might consider off or not right when looking at a well struck coin that does not have the anomaly . It would also depend on who finds them where. Or, in other words, where were these distributed to, what area of the country. I had a box of Loomis wrapped 2009 P Lincoln cents, Professional Life that yielded 8 rolls of WDDR-030. This was a discovery coin attributed to myself by Wexler and so far these are the only coins that are known. Could be the luck of the draw for me as there are still countless boxes that have not yet been opened so there may be more, there may not be. Will not know until I see others for sale or they end up being passed back into circulation. And I found mine 9 years after they were issued.
  21. Kevin Mader

    Kevin Mader Fellow Coin Enthusiast

    It's doubtful that you have all of the population for WDDR-030 and Wexler attributes various Stages to different folks. It's important to note that for minor varieties, often times folks don't do much with them. I keep all my unattributed doubled dies in the hopes that someone might one day.
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