Does this look ms65 to you???

first of all, you asked the question. so don't get huffy when you don't like some of the replies. second of all, if you think or if any of the others think that PCGS, NGC, and the like, don't reward big submitters, well, then you are all dreaming.

 

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hey, it was your idea to brag about the coin in the first place. maybe your bragging is just a way of trying to compensate for something else.

 

hey, it was your idea to brag about the coin in the first place. maybe your bragging is just a way of trying to compensate for something else.

 

hey, it was your idea to brag about the coin in the first place. maybe your bragging is just a way of trying to compensate for something else.

 

hey, it was your idea to brag about the coin in the first place. maybe your bragging is just a way of trying to compensate for something else.

 

You didn't answer my question, you made 4 consecutive ridiculous posts. What proof do you have that the TPGs reward big submitters?

 

just look at all of the overgraded coins on the market.

 

What are you talking about? I never bragged about the coin in the OP, I merely stated that the photos were probably exaggerating the flaws based on my personal experience with these types of coins. You make all types of wild claims and don't post any proof at all. With regards to me calling you the leader of the blind, that is just another way of me saying I don't think you know what you are talking about, AT ALL.

 

One, I don't think there are that many overgraded coins on the market, unless you are looking at ANACS slabs. Second, grading is subjective. How can you make a direct correlation from overgraded coins to submitter favoritisim? Keep in mind that I am asking for proof, not your conspiracy theory laden opinion.

 

Due to the fact that most all Morgans silver dollars were transported in 1000.00 bags and 1000 coins this size hitting one another are going damage the next. I think this coin would grade a 64. However I agree with Lehigh points. This to me is a slider. High 64 low 65. The coin has great luster and PL surfaces . And again Lehigh point where are you going to find another this date on par?
I have had quite a few Morgans in my time. Some rolls I've had case in point a roll of 1904 O 's that had the same PL luster as well as the frosting on the face. Most came back MS- 64 ' s maybe 3 that went 65. But the difference beats me as the roll was an original bank wrapped roll. And the end coin was toned.
In the passed sending in a Morgan for grading most have come back 64's. And some better dates less. As grading is subjective a point we all can agree.... my honest opinion is that TPG'S are more subjective to a better date than a run of the mill date.
Meaning if it's a toss up 64/65 they are going to grade down as apposed to up.
The coin that the original poster put up I venture to say that not one of us here would be unhappy owning.

 

you must have had doubt about the ms65 grade on the coin or you would not have posted the thread in the frst place. and there are too many overgraded coins on the market. if you think that grading is for the most part subjective, then why don't you call all of your coins gem ms65 or better.

 

Lehigh, they are both MS-65*, right ?

The 2nd one has much darker/noticeable blotches on the face, even I can see that. If the 1st one is a 65, the 2nd should be 65.

 

You have it backwards. The luster grazes seem worse because the frost on the second is so much better. What really separates the 2 coins is how much cleaner the fields are on the second coin.

 

When I view this coin this is what I see- This might be over exaggerated a bit but the most destracting marks TO ME are in the obverse field (main focal point) and the long scratch running diagonal from above the ear down to the bottom of the cheek... those stood out immediately when i saw the coin on ebay hence the OP... I didnt think it would draw this many replies but we ARE a passionate bunch... Anywho thats my take on the coin.. if i were to spend THAT much on one morgan i can think of countless better dates to pursue and if i wanted an early 90s philly id go for the '92 or '93

 

maybe i should not say this, but, there have been times when i have posted coins on here that i thought were borderline, example: could go ms62-ms63. and when i got quite a few replies that were positive about the coins, well, then i figured i should not send them in to be graded. and when i got negative replies about some of the coins then i figured that sending them in to be graded would get nice results. i was right more often than not.

 

Pictures are not a great way to grade coins. Some coins are not photogenic, and camera angles and lighting can really distort what a coin looks like in the image so it's nothing like it is in hand.

 

Wait....grade DOWN for the more common coin, right ?

 

Again...waiting for my ANA Grade Book ....but since there are more marks the lower you go it's going to be much tougher to determine an MS-63 vs. MS-62 as opposed to should a coin be MS-65 or MS-66 or MS-67.

IOTW...MS-70 the easiest to grade since you can't have any noticeable marks. Or any at all. Whatever...you know what I mean.

 

The main focal area of the Morgan Dollar Obverse is the face & date, not the fields.

 

If this is true, it should be easy for you to provide us with links to the threads and photos of the coins showing how they graded. In other words, I don't believe you!