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Message:: [QUOTE="vavet, post: 376554, member: 11630"]NGC and Heritage are solid????????????????? We just had a thread where it's obvious that NGC is loose with their grading on poorly struck coins. A couple years ago there was a letter in NN where an NGC slabbed proof was resubmitted to NGC and it came back body bagged. Resubmitted again and it got slabbed at a different grade than was originally slabbed. The Mickley 1804 Dollar was graded AU at best by THREE Numismatic professionals and even Salzberg admitted that it shows "some handling" but NGC still gave it a 62. That's just three examples of the many I have observed over the years. Solid!!!!!! Not in my book. Furthermore, the only thing that can be marginally determined from that picture is the strike and contact marks. Based on the picture, I think the eye appeal is on the negative side based on the toning and there could be hairlines under the toning. To agree with the assigned grade based on that picture is a leap of faith or just plain blind faith in NGC.[/QUOTE]