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<p>[QUOTE="stevereecy, post: 851895, member: 19884"]Thats a good question, and the more I research this stuff, the more befuddled I get.</p><p> </p><p>For fun, I went back to my local coin shop that has unsearched jefferson war nickels today in a bucket for $1.50. I don't think they search those buckets very well because I've found all kinds of deals there.</p><p> </p><p>I was specifically looking for the doubled eye, the 43/42 and the 45 doubled reverse.</p><p> </p><p>I found a '43-P in XF that appears to have "something" in that area of the nose. And it has die cracks. And it also has minor doubling on the right date and the right side letters in "liberty". So this new one has doubling in the "right place" in the lettering, but just some kind of bump or lump where the little eye should be. But again, this one has die cracks...so who knows? (Literally...who does know, is there an expert?)</p><p> </p><p>So I cracked the books on this one.</p><p> </p><p>Nagengast says only that it is a doubled die with the prominant feature being a part of another eye showing below the portrait's normal eye. </p><p> </p><p>St. Breen says, "Two Eyes" and "lettering and date also show multiple impressions". Note that he does not differentiate the lettering...doesn't say just the date and liberty. Breen says it was discovered by Bill Fivaz.</p><p> </p><p>The Redbook guide to Buffalo and Jefferson Nickels by Q. David Bowers says "Further from Fivaz-Stanton: 'The doubling is visible on the date, liberty, the motto, and most noticeably the eye". </p><p> </p><p>So right now, whether this coin has a good second eye or not, I think that if you have decent doubling on any of those places, you probably have the variety in a later die state, unless you want to call it an entirely new error, which probably isn't appropriate.</p><p> </p><p>So, what that leaves me with is right where I started. It is debateable whether this coin is a double eye, but I think it is because of the doubling I'm seeing in "Trust". But I'm clearly not 100% certain, and not egocentric enough to worry about it if I'm wrong. This education has been priceless and I truly thank all of those who provided good info. I do have to say that I'm intrigued by my research, and might just delve deeper into this topic. If anyone has any other source information, or can state any good sources that make the claim that there is varying quality of the doubled eye, I'd defniitely be interested. Who knows? Maybe late in the die life, they fixed the eye problem but not the lettering problem and these are rarer? It'd be cool to find an UNC version like that because that would be worthy of publication.</p><p> </p><p>Steve[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="stevereecy, post: 851895, member: 19884"]Thats a good question, and the more I research this stuff, the more befuddled I get. For fun, I went back to my local coin shop that has unsearched jefferson war nickels today in a bucket for $1.50. I don't think they search those buckets very well because I've found all kinds of deals there. I was specifically looking for the doubled eye, the 43/42 and the 45 doubled reverse. I found a '43-P in XF that appears to have "something" in that area of the nose. And it has die cracks. And it also has minor doubling on the right date and the right side letters in "liberty". So this new one has doubling in the "right place" in the lettering, but just some kind of bump or lump where the little eye should be. But again, this one has die cracks...so who knows? (Literally...who does know, is there an expert?) So I cracked the books on this one. Nagengast says only that it is a doubled die with the prominant feature being a part of another eye showing below the portrait's normal eye. St. Breen says, "Two Eyes" and "lettering and date also show multiple impressions". Note that he does not differentiate the lettering...doesn't say just the date and liberty. Breen says it was discovered by Bill Fivaz. The Redbook guide to Buffalo and Jefferson Nickels by Q. David Bowers says "Further from Fivaz-Stanton: 'The doubling is visible on the date, liberty, the motto, and most noticeably the eye". So right now, whether this coin has a good second eye or not, I think that if you have decent doubling on any of those places, you probably have the variety in a later die state, unless you want to call it an entirely new error, which probably isn't appropriate. So, what that leaves me with is right where I started. It is debateable whether this coin is a double eye, but I think it is because of the doubling I'm seeing in "Trust". But I'm clearly not 100% certain, and not egocentric enough to worry about it if I'm wrong. This education has been priceless and I truly thank all of those who provided good info. I do have to say that I'm intrigued by my research, and might just delve deeper into this topic. If anyone has any other source information, or can state any good sources that make the claim that there is varying quality of the doubled eye, I'd defniitely be interested. Who knows? Maybe late in the die life, they fixed the eye problem but not the lettering problem and these are rarer? It'd be cool to find an UNC version like that because that would be worthy of publication. Steve[/QUOTE]
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