Does this look genuine? China 10 Cents 1897

Discussion in 'World Coins' started by Harry G, Jul 31, 2021.

  1. Harry G

    Harry G Well-Known Member

    Hi all!

    This coin came to me from a friend because I collect coins. After some research, it appears to be a Chinese 10 cents from 1897. However, I'm not sure if it's genuine or not.

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    Edge:
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    Does anyone have any thoughts on this? The coin weighs 2.70g and is 19mm in diameter.

    Thanks!
     
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  3. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    Wow! Normally with Chinese coins, the odds are counterfeits but this looks good.

    Could be easily 500 dollar coin even with the scratch if proven genuine.
     
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  4. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    My problem is that so much of the real stuff from this era looks fake, even when it isn't, due to the cruder production standards and wonky letter punches and so on. I'm very, very quickly out of my depth when it comes to Chinese coins.
     
  5. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    PCGS would be the way to go on that one, since it's potentially valuable, I guess. As you likely know, they have a branch in China, so they must have some specialized expertise on board.
     
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  6. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    My vote would be most likely no, but agree to have someone else who knows more weigh in. We do have some experts in these on this board.

    The crudeness of official issues is usually not like this. Details are missing here not usually missing IMHO.
     
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  7. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    I certainly wouldn't hold my breath in expectations of authenticity here, either, but really I have .... no clue at all. Way too far outside my experience.
     
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  8. Phil's Coins

    Phil's Coins Well-Known Member

    If it has anything to do with china, I would be very suspicious, and as stated by lord marcovan, send it to PCGS. I hope for your sake it is real.
    Semper Fi
    Phil
     
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  9. Mr.Q

    Mr.Q Well-Known Member

    Take the coin to a Numismatist or trusted dealer in your area. Get some positive opinions before sending it off to a TPG. Good luck
     
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  10. DEA

    DEA Well-Known Member

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  11. Phil's Coins

    Phil's Coins Well-Known Member

    That would only work if BOTH had some understanding of Ancient Chinese coins and were sufficiently educated to make a judgement either way.
     
  12. Seascape

    Seascape U.S. & World Collector

    I agree with others.... you are almost forced to send this one in if you ever want to know for sure.
     
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  13. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    Weight could prove its false. It has the "look" of pot metal fakes. Correct weight would not prove its ok, but incorrect weight could prove its false.
     
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  14. Seascape

    Seascape U.S. & World Collector

    Very true.
     
  15. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    This is a two year type. 1897 is less common compared to 1898

    This is my example

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    It's a really nice design
     
  16. medoraman

    medoraman Supporter! Supporter

    What is your opinion of the OP coin sir? You were one of the experts in these I would hope would answer, since your opinion is way more informed than mine.
     
  17. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    At the moment, I'm leaning towards genuine. I had to take out my example and check the edge. Weight is correct, edge checks out and the wear is consistent to what I expect. But again, there's always that potential of not genuine especially with Chinese coins. There was an article on PCGS (if I'm not wrong) of an altered coin by re engraving the entire province name and year (!!!)

    A coin that I wouldn't mind purchasing to upgrade my example. This is one of my more favorite Chinese coin.
     
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  18. Harry G

    Harry G Well-Known Member

    Thanks for everyone's responses! You've all been very helpful :)

    I would like to send it to PCGS, but wouldn't know where to start. I'm also in the UK, where coin grading isn't widely available. I'll have to look into getting PCGS grading it

    My friend found it in a house clearance, and they are also in the UK. I believe they said they found it under a floorboard.

    I'll have a go with that metal composition test, and will post the results :)

    Thanks for your input! I agree the details that are missing is strange. However, the area with less detail on the obverse (12 o clock) matches up with the are with less detail on the reverse (also 12 o clock). I would guess that at some point, it was damaged in some way by being laid flat with the obverse facing down, and then hit with something in that spot on the reverse.

    :O

    Dang, that's a lot!

    Glad to hear you think it's genuine! I tried having a look for fakes from Kwang Hsu, but couldn't find any. Lots of fake dollars, but I couldn't see any fake 10 cents that I could use for comparison.

    I only collect ancients, so coins like this are completely out of my comfort zone!
     
  19. gxseries

    gxseries Coin Collector

    Fakes of every denomination exist including this type.

    I do not claim to be a Chinese coin expert and have plenty of learn to be honest. The current diagnostics seem to be positive at the moment. I own four of this type - 5 cents, 2 of 10 cents and 20 cents and they all seem to be similar to what you have. Unless all of what I own are not genuine which is also a possibility.
     
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  20. lordmarcovan

    lordmarcovan Eclectic & Eccentric Moderator

    Their European submission center is in Paris, if you choose to go that route.
     
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