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<p>[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1881754, member: 15309"]Richie, I'm sorry but you are just parroting Doug's misinformation on this subject. I have never heard any other collector or dealer make the claim that PCGS does not follow their published standards other than Doug. At least now I know why he has been using the year 2004 for his claim that the TPG's drastically changed their grading standards.</p><p><br /></p><p>When you and Doug say that they don't follow their own standards 100%, what exactly do you mean? The fact is that grading coins is subjective and there are way too many variables involved in grading to create a set of hard and fast rules that will apply to every coin. This is why the grading rules are intentionally ambiguous. The more specific you make the rules, the more exceptions you will need to make to those rules to ensure grading accuracy. </p><p><br /></p><p>Furthermore, people like Doug love to quote the PCGS grading standards as proof that they don't follow their own rules. For example, in Chapter 1 they write that they use the Sheldon scale of grading (1-70) and then proceed to show the ANA's version of the Sheldon scale including the definitions for each grade. Once you reach the grades of MS60-MS62, it shows the words "No Wear". This would seem to indicate that PCGS agrees that an uncirculated coin can't show traces of wear/friction. But when you reach Chapter 5 (Elements of a Coin's Grade), PCGS addresses the subject of wear. The first thing they do in this section is address the difference between circulation wear, incomplete strike, roll/bag friction, album slide marks, and cabinet friction. My point is that in order to understand the PCGS standards, one must read the entire book and view the subject matter holistically. Coincidentally, this is how one needs to grade coins when employing market grading, holistically.</p><p><br /></p><p>To my knowledge NGC has never published their grading standards, other than those for modern coins. But since the same guy founded both companies, I would expect both TPGs to have very similar grading standards overall with some notable differences for particular series of coins.</p><p><br /></p><p>Paul[/QUOTE]</p><p><br /></p>
[QUOTE="Lehigh96, post: 1881754, member: 15309"]Richie, I'm sorry but you are just parroting Doug's misinformation on this subject. I have never heard any other collector or dealer make the claim that PCGS does not follow their published standards other than Doug. At least now I know why he has been using the year 2004 for his claim that the TPG's drastically changed their grading standards. When you and Doug say that they don't follow their own standards 100%, what exactly do you mean? The fact is that grading coins is subjective and there are way too many variables involved in grading to create a set of hard and fast rules that will apply to every coin. This is why the grading rules are intentionally ambiguous. The more specific you make the rules, the more exceptions you will need to make to those rules to ensure grading accuracy. Furthermore, people like Doug love to quote the PCGS grading standards as proof that they don't follow their own rules. For example, in Chapter 1 they write that they use the Sheldon scale of grading (1-70) and then proceed to show the ANA's version of the Sheldon scale including the definitions for each grade. Once you reach the grades of MS60-MS62, it shows the words "No Wear". This would seem to indicate that PCGS agrees that an uncirculated coin can't show traces of wear/friction. But when you reach Chapter 5 (Elements of a Coin's Grade), PCGS addresses the subject of wear. The first thing they do in this section is address the difference between circulation wear, incomplete strike, roll/bag friction, album slide marks, and cabinet friction. My point is that in order to understand the PCGS standards, one must read the entire book and view the subject matter holistically. Coincidentally, this is how one needs to grade coins when employing market grading, holistically. To my knowledge NGC has never published their grading standards, other than those for modern coins. But since the same guy founded both companies, I would expect both TPGs to have very similar grading standards overall with some notable differences for particular series of coins. Paul[/QUOTE]
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